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As is, the prevalence of scams is one of the reasons I'm only playing SSF. No clue why anyone would defend scammers. It's not the victim's job to make sure the other player is playing correctly. It's also not the victim's fault the scammer is scamming.
Nobody defends scammers they just don't defend the victims either, the only ones I defend are new players who really don't know what a cesspit SC trade is - anybody who has actually played and traded for a league already has no excuse.
Fake cheap listings, instant whispers, window getting cancelled immediately etc its red flag central just learn quickly then never get scammed again.
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Posted byDraegnarrron Oct 9, 2023, 1:38:56 PM
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What? It's not the "victims" job to make sure the other person is playing correctly?
No, it's not. Your job is to make sure you are trading correctly, their job is to make sure they are trading correctly.
So it's not your job to check what the other player put in the trade tab?
Nope. That'd be the trading player's and game's job (e.g. checking whether or not the amount of specific currency or div cards fit the chat message). If it's not the items the automated message from pathofexile.com/trade specified, the 'Trade' button should stay greyed out until the player puts the correct items into the trading window.
[Trades from third-party websites, trading between friends and other non-automated trades (i.e. trades not using the /trade messages) can stay the same.]
There's no reason for something like this to be the receiving player's job if it allows for frustrating errors, scam potential and is easily checked server-sided.
No-one is a victim, you have a simple game system in place to prevent scamming, it's IS up to you, to use it if not then don't trade.
How else would you call it if not a 'victim'? In real-life (and basically any other comparable multiplayer game), if someone got scammed, they're a victim. Why should we use a different word just for POE?
Telling people they have a basic intellectual responsibility of simply hovering and checking the item being swapped for is not "blaming" it's rudimentary common sense.
*sigh*
Scammers can't scam if you pay attention to the simple trading system given to you. It's really that simple, enough projection please. No-ones supporting scammers, that's just a strawman, they are just telling you that there's a very simple way of preventing it.
Just because it's possible to dodge scams doesn't make the existance and prevalence of scams any less problematic or fixable.
Keeping a conservative stand on this (i.e. changing nothing, despite it being a faulty system) is the same as (passively) supporting scams to keep existing.
Again, there's no need to blame players (victims or not) about not doing something outside their responsibilities. The current system requires it, yes, but that's only because scammers (and the non-existing game checks) aren't doing their part of the trade truthfully. That makes checking the other player's window a necessity, not a responsibility.
It's the scammer's and system's fault scams like this can and do happen. I think it's *really* weird some players here are defending them by trying to put the responsibility onto the (potential) victims. In literally any other case (online or offline) it'd be baffling to blame the victims of scams for getting scammed.
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Posted byPraceAceon Oct 9, 2023, 5:42:40 PM
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It's the scammer's and system's fault scams like this can and do happen. I think it's *really* weird some players here are defending them by trying to put the responsibility onto the (potential) victims. In literally any other case (online or offline) it'd be baffling to blame the victims of scams for getting scammed.
Players task is to make sure that items in trade window are correct ones. If he click "accept" it means he consider that trade to be "fair". Its not system fault.
Biggest compliments for my crafted items - "bs, they must have been RMT'ed"
I'm disabled, I have rare case of semperduravera, so I can write things that may look rude, but it is because of disability - I'm forced to tell truth using words you may not like.
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Posted byNomancson Oct 10, 2023, 12:38:27 AM
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I spend a lot of time in this game and first time i dont like how devs not help in any part of my problem. Player who scam me not in ban, money that he "earn" devs cant return to me. Now i understand that scamming its leagal in this game. Much easy way to earn currency trying to scam. This guy earn money for one trade when i earn this money for two days. After this i dont spend any real money in this game. If u have all proves, screenshots and send to devs, they do nothing to change this. Player who scam me once do the same with me again later. I send them screenshots to devs, zero reaction. Game for scammers. I never try scam someone and i see that scammers can do real money.Fraudsters are free to deceive people and developers will not do anything with all the evidence. Farm for the cheaters. Your problem is that you were deceived.
[Removed by Support] you have ongoing trade offers on Standard League which are not realistic, and you don't care for months to take them down, you are manipulating the market, when I whisper you to trade you just ignore, so I have repported you to TFT for that and will repport you to GGG too. You will clean up your trade offers or get the consequences.
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Posted byMitterandon Dec 28, 2023, 2:58:09 PM
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I haven't really read through the trade, but I seriously hope that no one claims that the current trade system isn't easily exploitable, both when it comes to scamming, fixing and groups controlling the market.
That said, A LOT of this can be circumvented by knowledge, paying attention and using your eyes when it comes to the few in-game fail safe system there is.
It is also worth mentioning that an AH is of course not the answer here, as the more automated a system becomes, the more vulnerable it is to scripts, bots and the like. But there should absolutely be added some kind of mechanics to reduce the amount of fixing and scamming going on.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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Posted byPhrazzon Dec 28, 2023, 3:05:19 PM
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All these arguments about whose "fault" it is when someone gets scammed are irrelevant at the end of the day.
When crossing the street, it doesn't matter whose "fault" it is when you get hit by a car because you're still going to the hospital/morgue.
Pay attention.
General discussion gaming forums are almost always a cesspit of ignorance and trolls.
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Posted byAngrybagelon Dec 28, 2023, 3:19:12 PM
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It's a part of the PoE Experience™, in the ruthless wilds where young scoundrels might rob you if you think your moms basement is safe from such thugs of the streets.
If you haven't figured it out by now GGG is not here to hold your little hand and walk you safely down the yellow brick road.
I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all.
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Posted byCrackmonsteron Dec 28, 2023, 9:37:00 PM
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