I hope poe 2 wont be a one core skill spamming game

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Nubatron wrote:

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satanttin wrote:

wait diablo 4's success? x'D

Quite a few people tout units sold as a measure of success, and for the company, that is absolutely the chief measurement. I tend to think of success differently as a player, but that is one way to measure I suppose.

D4 is what it needs to be for that target audience. I hope it remains appealing to that group for a long time so that they maybe quit trying to turn POE into D3/D4. That's the win/win.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I mean that's not really fair in context. GGG will determine PoE's future not a comparatively small voice here or on Reddit. I can't turn PoE into D4, not that I even want that. That's not a reasonable argument, I don't think.

As far a measuring success, I suppose that can be somewhat arbitrary from a player perspective, as long as there isn't projection bias. Player counts, revenue, sales, hours played/retention, all those metrics matter, maybe not as much to the player directly, but it can impact a games development future, which presumably a player would care about.

So it's fine to say "I don't like D4", but its quite another to say it's not successful because it's not your personal cup of tea. It's OK to be a bit objective here, nothing bad will happen.

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Nubatron wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I mean that's not really fair in context. GGG will determine PoE's future not a comparatively small voice here or on Reddit. I can't turn PoE into D4, not that I even want that. That's not a reasonable argument, I don't think.

As far a measuring success, I suppose that can be somewhat arbitrary from a player perspective, as long as there isn't projection bias. Player counts, revenue, sales, hours played/retention, all those metrics matter, maybe not as much to the player directly, but it can impact a games development future, which presumably a player would care about.

So it's fine to say "I don't like D4", but its quite another to say it's not successful because it's not your personal cup of tea. It's OK to be a bit objective here, nothing bad will happen.

I didn't say GGG would listen to them. If they listened to the loudest crowd and voice, we would eventually just have another Diablo. One Diablo 3/4 is enough.

I simply said that if the Diablo crowd likes it so much, maybe they'll stop trying to turn POE into another Diablo. That's the win I'm referring to.

No, I'm not worried about GGG listening to them/you. They've demonstrated a stubbornness that at times may seem like a hindrance, but in this particular case, I'm quite grateful for.

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Nubatron wrote:

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satanttin wrote:

wait diablo 4's success? x'D

Quite a few people tout units sold as a measure of success, and for the company, that is absolutely the chief measurement. I tend to think of success differently as a player, but that is one way to measure I suppose.

D4 is what it needs to be for that target audience. I hope it remains appealing to that group for a long time so that they maybe quit trying to turn POE into D3/D4. That's the win/win.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Thats fair.

I do think there is some nuance though, where feedback and criticism from a more casual gamer doesn't immediately mean the game becomes Diablo. I really do think GGG should make the game more accessible, without a full on philosophy shift.

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satanttin wrote:

i wager ggg made more money than blizzard on D4 so doesn't make it ggg still more successful?

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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satanttin wrote:

i wager ggg made more money than blizzard on D4 so doesn't make it ggg still more successful?

Lol no.

Blizzard made more revenue in 5 days with D4 than GGG has made in 10 years with PoE.

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satanttin wrote:

yeah but is it? mean i wager ggg made more money than blizzard on D4 so doesn't make it ggg still more successful?
tbh i think ur successful if u can get up an online game up for 10+ years x'D a good launch well "good" isn't enough for me to call someone successfull.

i'm pretty sure that a big or at least a part of the D4 players will look up games likeD4 and check out poe and try it. mean how long can u really enjoy D4? like a couple months at best? maybe come back for the seasons if they screw it up? mean i dunno man.

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Nubatron wrote:

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satanttin wrote:

yeah but is it? mean i wager ggg made more money than blizzard on D4 so doesn't make it ggg still more successful?
tbh i think ur successful if u can get up an online game up for 10+ years x'D a good launch well "good" isn't enough for me to call someone successfull.

i'm pretty sure that a big or at least a part of the D4 players will look up games likeD4 and check out poe and try it. mean how long can u really enjoy D4? like a couple months at best? maybe come back for the seasons if they screw it up? mean i dunno man.

None of us know how much money POE has made, but I don't think it's even close between the Diablo franchise and POE in terms of revenue. Activision/Blizzard caters to a more casual audience specifically to maximize revenue. They're not idiots when it comes to money.

I suspect some people went to D4 expecting something more in depth than D3 and are probably not happy with their purchase. Conversely, there are some people who play Diablo to completion quickly and are satisfied, and then come to POE to test the waters only to find it is nowhere near as shallow -- which will be a negative for them. And some might like it and stay.

More often than not though, I think people who thoroughly enjoy one will find the other too complicated or too shallow; generally speaking of course. The real issue is when one starts to die off and the staunch players of that game go to the other and try to shift that game to their old game.

Right now and the next few years should be good for both groups in my opinion. POE doesn't have the Diablo crowd non-stop complaining about some of the core tenets of POE, and the Diablo crowd has a new shiny Diablo game to enjoy. So I say: long live Diablo. You are the bug zapper of POE. :)