I alt+f4 at lvl 10 in D4, that game is so boring

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Xyel wrote:

Yeah, that's something that keeps baffling me. On the one hand, GGG firmly pivots the game around the most hardcore part of its playerbase, and on the other hand, it puts a massive investment into the extended tutorial, which that very hardcore part of the playerbase rushes through, competing in who manages to get rid of that the fastest. No matter how cool the new campaign is, if one can rush the old campaign an hour faster than the new one, the entire core playerbase will play the old campaign beyond the first league of PoE 2.

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Latze wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

Yeah, that's something that keeps baffling me. On the one hand, GGG firmly pivots the game around the most hardcore part of its playerbase, and on the other hand, it puts a massive investment into the extended tutorial, which that very hardcore part of the playerbase rushes through, competing in who manages to get rid of that the fastest. No matter how cool the new campaign is, if one can rush the old campaign an hour faster than the new one, the entire core playerbase will play the old campaign beyond the first league of PoE 2.

this will never happen.
i would not be surprised, if poe2 will look more like ruthless in both modes. ggg dont develope a campaign for a few years, to be deleted in a few hours.

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Xyel wrote:

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Latze wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

Yeah, that's something that keeps baffling me. On the one hand, GGG firmly pivots the game around the most hardcore part of its playerbase, and on the other hand, it puts a massive investment into the extended tutorial, which that very hardcore part of the playerbase rushes through, competing in who manages to get rid of that the fastest. No matter how cool the new campaign is, if one can rush the old campaign an hour faster than the new one, the entire core playerbase will play the old campaign beyond the first league of PoE 2.

this will never happen.
i would not be surprised, if poe2 will look more like ruthless in both modes. ggg dont develope a campaign for a few years, to be deleted in a few hours.

This is what I'm curious about. On the one hand, GGG seems to be obsessed with Ruthless, clearly considering it the superior game mode that's great for everyone and everything, the mode they want PoE to be... but on the other hand, almost nobody plays ruthless even when GGG has given it a massive marketing push in Crucible, even tailoring the league mechanic around it.

I wonder whether GGG will swallow their pride and turn ruthless into the side pet project it was supposed to be, or if they'll keep the course of 'you will play ruthless and you will be happy.'

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feike wrote:

As i said in my post, it comes from the viewpoint of a guy who tries to put himself in the shoes of a new player but isnt a new player himself

The manner of fact is: PoE only REALLY demands knowlege on the final sections of the game. Its almost established fact that the first character a person make will suck, but gess what? The sheer fact that you will get to maps with that sucky character is proof that for the early game, you dont need to know jack shit to make things work, most of the casuals that you claim D4 will cather dont play past that, so in truth, they dont experience the really know-checks of the game. EVERYTHING works on story mode, it takes a special kind of botch on passives to end with a trully umplayable character that cant kill kitava

You haven't made a league character in a while, have you?

In the current league, the first learning moment comes in the second zone, when the player meets a crucible. A standard new player will fully juice it up, and have to reset the zone to move forward, as you're not clearing a charged up crucible on lvl3. An experienced player knows to not click on league mechanic until he has a mostly complete character (the bar changes for different builds).

The second learning moment comes later in act one, when the player starts getting murdered by cold-damage mobs, which are an absolute death at that point unless the player is really good at dodging all the mob usual skills, which experienced players are, but new players have no chance to be.

The third learning moment also comes somewhere in Act1, when the player meets a rare mob with perk that counters the player's main damage type. That mob will either take forever to kill if it's a weak mob base, or absolutely demolish the player if it's a dangerous mob. An experienced player wouldn't even notice the mob because he's skipping all yellow mobs anyway.

The fourth moment is at the start of Act6, because at that point, one needs to have somewhat fixed resistances, or start dying, a lot. (unless one naturally dodges almost everything the monsters throw, which comes with experience that new players don't have)

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feike wrote:

... just picking a random skill and stiching stuff around that skill in a way that kinda makes sense works just fine

Not really, damage starts to be a problem in ~act8 for most non-meta skills, survivability becomes an issue at white maps because builds without decent defenses/a ton of damage start dying, and the wall where the majority of 'fuck around and find out' builds don't get through are yellow maps, where that randomly picked skill better be boneshatter, and/or the stitching involve one of the top ascendancies, or it's reroll time.

There's a good reason why the main advice every new player gets from an experienced one is 'follow a guide like a word of god', usually followed by a reference to pohx's RF

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

casual because simply poe 1-20 is a better game than d4 1-20.

I couldn't help myself but to come to laugh at this. That's a completely delusional take.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

casual because simply poe 1-20 is a better game than d4 1-20.

I couldn't help myself but to come to laugh at this. That's a completely delusional take.

what's "delusional" if someone voices his very own opinion?

i could say that most of your posts are "delusional" to me but how does that help you see your mistakes?