Convince me Stash tab "MTX" is not pay to win

a guy... or a girl with 3 sale tabs would make more money than someone with just 1 sale tab. someone with 7 sale tabs would make more money than the one with just 3 and so on. of course that`s considering you`re playin enough to fill 3 or 7 tabs with valuable items to sell.

only league i would consider not having a big edge with having even any sale tabs is ritual since harbingers were dropping mirror shards and you could super easy sell harvest crafts and there was a lot of them dropping by doing the mechanic.

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feral_nature wrote:
a guy... or a girl with 3 sale tabs would make more money than someone with just 1 sale tab. someone with 7 sale tabs would make more money than the one with just 3 and so on. of course that`s considering you`re playin enough to fill 3 or 7 tabs with valuable items to sell.

only league i would consider not having a big edge with having even any sale tabs is ritual since harbingers were dropping mirror shards and you could super easy sell harvest crafts and there was a lot of them dropping by doing the mechanic.

false.

the player that plays most efficient makes the most currency. not counting in how much they want to trade and what their goals are.

this is basically saying ssf players can't win? also win what anyways? u win if u have more currency? [Removed by Support]
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Last edited by Lisa_GGG#0000 on Mar 10, 2022, 6:05:33 PM
Wow. I didn't realize this horse still even had a skeleton.

PoE is not a F2P, it is a Free 2 try. You want play more, you need stash. fair enough. It's not a P2W though
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Turtledove wrote:
Here's my summary of this whole thread! First a little context, I can't be bothered to read the whole thread, sorry. I read the opening post and then the first post made in response. Shagsbeard stated it depends on one's definition of P2W. I suspect the OP is not convinced of anything by anything anyone said and does not even accept the plain truth of Shagsbeard wisdom bestowed on us at the beginning of this thread.

So how close was I to a good summary?


OP explained the definition before he began. People changing the definition of words and attacking that premise is ermmm being human beings... P2W doesn't mean winning literally. P2W is used in gaming with the meaning "Pay to Win" to refer to games that allow players to purchase items or abilities that give them an advantage in the game, over other players or NPCs.

1. P2W = Pay for in-game advantages or benefits.
2. GGG sell stash tabs in POE
3. Stash tabs are in-game advantages

Conclusion: POE is P2W.

It is valid argument. No matter how miniscule, it's still considered pay to win. People are upset about someone claiming their favorite game is P2W.

Microtransactions are necessary evil for that payment model. Companies trying so hard to convince people microtransactions are ethical is a placebo or sugarpill. It make people feel better.
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awesome999 wrote:

1. P2W = Pay for in-game advantages or benefits.
2. GGG sell stash tabs in POE
3. Stash tabs are in-game advantages

Conclusion: POE is P2W.


ok. So I purchased an MTX that makes Spectral Throw look better and stand out more. This gives me an advantage as I can see more clearly.

I guess all cosmetic MTXs are now considered P2W. Damn.
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LennyLen wrote:
Wow. I didn't realize this horse still even had a skeleton.



We're down to the idea of said horse.
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Jivabien wrote:
PoE is not a F2P, it is a Free 2 try. You want play more, you need stash. fair enough. It's not a P2W though


PoE is F2P. It's just not "free". Learn the difference.
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brunowa wrote:
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awesome999 wrote:

1. P2W = Pay for in-game advantages or benefits.
2. GGG sell stash tabs in POE
3. Stash tabs are in-game advantages

Conclusion: POE is P2W.


ok. So I purchased an MTX that makes Spectral Throw look better and stand out more. This gives me an advantage as I can see more clearly.

I guess all cosmetic MTXs are now considered P2W. Damn.


Yes. Cosmetic MTXs are P2W.

You are confused and between what you find acceptable and what is actually P2W if we are to be precise. Cognitive dissonance happen when a person holds two beliefs that contradict one another... Your emotions overpowered your mind, your feeling couldn't trust your brain. You struggle to reject that definition.
on the one hand, yes it is pay for advantage

but on the other hand, the advantage kinda caps out at a lower cost than buying a full-price game. only some of the premium tabs are useful

you could spend 60 bucks on poe and run out of advantage to buy

pay to win has been used colloquially for competitive-ish games that have no spending ceiling, or where you pay for progressing through levels literally

i tend to think of poe more as "pay to play (normal store shelf game), with a trial", because there's a pretty small limit to the amount you can spend on stash tabs and get significant benefit
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