Energy Blade thoughts

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rekikyo wrote:

What we're discussing is basically having 3500 Life and 560 Remaining ES or having 6500 Life and 200 remaining ES. Most players would probably prefer the latter.

Why would you replace your weapon with all stats on it for a whit sword with only 200 lightning damage?

the only option to play this is by having imense ES pool, to start competing with HoWA it must be more than 10k ES

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HoockBr wrote:

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rekikyo wrote:

What we're discussing is basically having 3500 Life and 560 Remaining ES or having 6500 Life and 200 remaining ES. Most players would probably prefer the latter.

Why would you replace your weapon with all stats on it for a whit sword with only 200 lightning damage?

the only option to play this is by having imense ES pool, to start competing with HoWA it must be more than 10k ES

It depends on what you're doing. If you're main skill isn't taking your weapon's damage into account, there's a negligible downside. Furthermore, there's no evidence that once we start playing it, that our weapon's mods are lost. I've seen the images of items being replaced in windows, but it doesn't make sense that GGG would null all our mods on our intended wep in addition to the actual item.

Some people don't use weapons that use their base AD. Some people have crafted weps purely built around maxing ele modded damage, like a pure Lightning Damage Wand.

Also, you're ignoring the fact you can both have a high ES pool AND make the skill a little more forgiving by leaving it at level 1. After all, the Base damage on a 5500 ES build is over 4400, even with a level 1 Gem.

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Phrazz wrote:

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rekikyo wrote:

What we're discussing is basically having 3500 Life and 560 Remaining ES or having 6500 Life and 200 remaining ES. Most players would probably prefer the latter.

Sure, but getting 3200+ ES on a EV/ES hybrid isn't hat difficult. There are even some masteries made for it, and the downside of acrobatics is, well... Gone. You could even go Trickster. You can easily get 5000+ life (with several valuable layers of defences) while reaching 3-4000 ES. And the new reservation efficiency makes it pretty easy to slap on Discipline in addition to a couple of other auras, even though I haven't done the math if it's close to worth it or not.

My point? If you're not really planning on taking advantage of the gem's ES scaling, you're much better off with a semi-decent foil. But based on the scaling here, it seems you're better off with a decent foil anyhow, unless you go real crazy on that ES scaling.

EV/ES Hybrid? I thought we were discussing Life/ES Hybrid, not EHP + Defense style......

EV/ES isn't really a hybrid. It's a type of EHP and a type of defense.

You'll have trouble getting over 5k ES with any significant investment in Life.

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rekikyo wrote:

You'll have trouble getting over 5k ES with any significant investment in Life.

You can scale both by investing in life and grabbing %life as extra ES. Ziz had an inquis build a few leagues back with 8k life and 5k ES, which was mostly from corrupted soul, soul tether and bench craft on chest, with minimal ES rolls/bases.

I really haven't thought much about it but I do see potential with hiero and inquis builds.

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BrettLee wrote:

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rekikyo wrote:

You'll have trouble getting over 5k ES with any significant investment in Life.

You can scale both by investing in life and grabbing %life as extra ES. Ziz had an inquis build a few leagues back with 8k life and 5k ES, which was mostly from corrupted soul, soul tether and bench craft on chest, with minimal ES rolls/bases.

I really haven't thought much about it but I do see potential with hiero and inquis builds.

You mean the video where he died right at the beginning because he face tanked a wave and couldn't pot? It's doable but it isn't necessarily a noncomplicated build. It's also heavily min maxed. It also had Phantasmal Desecrate, full awakened gems, etc.

Maybe Energy Blade will be able to have support gems put with it. Even that doesn't seem possible right now because any support you would want to put with it requires a skill that does a hit.

Silly random thought

if using Energy Blade transforms the weapons into energy blades, do they stay that way when dropped? Any way to animate them?

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rekikyo wrote:

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BrettLee wrote:

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rekikyo wrote:

You'll have trouble getting over 5k ES with any significant investment in Life.

You can scale both by investing in life and grabbing %life as extra ES. Ziz had an inquis build a few leagues back with 8k life and 5k ES, which was mostly from corrupted soul, soul tether and bench craft on chest, with minimal ES rolls/bases.

I really haven't thought much about it but I do see potential with hiero and inquis builds.

You mean the video where he died right at the beginning because he face tanked a wave and couldn't pot? It's doable but it isn't necessarily a noncomplicated build. It's also heavily min maxed. It also had Phantasmal Desecrate, full awakened gems, etc.

I am not talking his DD build, merely the fact that he was able to reach 8k life with 4.8k ES when you stated that it would be difficult to get high ES with significant investment in life.

Also, he was level 96 (halfway to 97) in SSFHC which is pretty impressive, no? I don't know why you think his build was min-maxed. It was mostly basic life/res gear, no awakened or level 21 gems, in fact most gems didn't even have quality.

Again, I am not recommending his build. Just that you can reach high ES values and high life values at the same time and that there might be potential on inquis (life/es) and hiero (mana/es).

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ncoffey4 wrote:

Maybe Energy Blade will be able to have support gems put with it. Even that doesn't seem possible right now because any support you would want to put with it requires a skill that does a hit.

As said, the skill's Q has Crit rate, and the skill "replaces" your weapon with an Energy Sword, so there are strong indications that Energy Sword itself does Hit.

But, because of how scarce "Spell Mods" that affect hits, aren't contingent on Mana, and there only being 2 "Lightning" Supports that are compatible, linking supports is going to be hard, and it's going to spike the ES cost through the roof.

The only real compatible supports are Added Lightning Damage, Innervate, Controlled Destruction, Elemental Focus, and Iron Will.

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BrettLee wrote:

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rekikyo wrote:

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BrettLee wrote:

You can scale both by investing in life and grabbing %life as extra ES. Ziz had an inquis build a few leagues back with 8k life and 5k ES, which was mostly from corrupted soul, soul tether and bench craft on chest, with minimal ES rolls/bases.

I really haven't thought much about it but I do see potential with hiero and inquis builds.

You mean the video where he died right at the beginning because he face tanked a wave and couldn't pot? It's doable but it isn't necessarily a noncomplicated build. It's also heavily min maxed. It also had Phantasmal Desecrate, full awakened gems, etc.

I am not talking his DD build, merely the fact that he was able to reach 8k life with 4.8k ES when you stated that it would be difficult to get high ES with significant investment in life.

Also, he was level 96 (halfway to 97) in SSFHC which is pretty impressive, no? I don't know why you think his build was min-maxed. It was mostly basic life/res gear, no awakened or level 21 gems, in fact most gems didn't even have quality.

Again, I am not recommending his build. Just that you can reach high ES values and high life values at the same time and that there might be potential on inquis (life/es) and hiero (mana/es).

Ziz specializes in HCSSF with significantly better computers than you and I, so no. I don't find it surprising. He showed his gear for the video and it was all min/maxed. T1 or T2 in literally every single mod. There are three exceptions: Mana on gloves, His Left Ring, and his Boots' Cold Res. Most Armour has double Life mods with over 108 Life, even on gloves/helmet.

Furthermore, his tree is literally nothing but Life Nodes. He has almost no investment whatsoever in Fire damage or other offensive mods, because guess what? He's letting his former minions' Life stats carry him (which are now reduced by half due to nerfs).

If you were trying to use his build on Energy Blade, at best you'd pull off about 138k DPS with Energy Blade. At Max. You'd have almost nothing but gear boosting your damage with Energy Blade from your ES. In almost all cases, builds that show off that much Life can only be used with fixed % damage builds. They are not viable for skills you actually have to enhance.