eHP of old evasion vs new evasion, and how much easier it is to hit the evade cap (w/graphs)

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Picksomecardz wrote:

This is all incredibly easy to fix, at least from a mathematical standpoint.

In 3.15 you could hit 95% evasion and 75% dodge. That's effectively a 98.75% chance to completely avoid damage at capped evasion and dodge. Simply change the evasion cap from 95% to 99%. You'll always have a small chance to get hit, but if you invest heavily in evasion, you'll end up with a slight avoidance buff from 3.15's evasion/dodge combo.

If you want to take it a step further, just change Wind Dancer to reduce damage by a percent of your evasion chance, i.e. you take (.5*evasion chance) % less damage if you haven't been hit recently. That way it can remain extremely strong for evasion based characters, and maybe even get a buff, and be useless for people that don't focus on evasion.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I honestly cannot fathom how you can stay alive consistently in the endgame (even if/when they fix RT mobs), knowing the hits will land, and you will die.

I mean really, is there an answer aside from hoping you dont get hit during a susceptible period, which is 100% going to happen? (Especially with dodge gone)

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Xyel wrote:

And did anyone actually hit 95 % evasion and 75 % dodge in 3.15 outside of doing it as a stunt?

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cpurdy777 wrote:

Any analysis of evasion "ehp" without including wind dancer/dodge is fairly worthless, as is any that doesn't factor in high alpha damage and assumes that the damage is infinitely subdivided (90% evasion is worthless if you die every time you roll the 10%, as you will get hit eventually, so evasion doesn't actually increase your worst case ehp against large hits at all, just the averaged number of those instances of damage inflicted.)

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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cpurdy777 wrote:

Any analysis of evasion "ehp" without including wind dancer/dodge is fairly worthless, as is any that doesn't factor in high alpha damage and assumes that the damage is infinitely subdivided (90% evasion is worthless if you die every time you roll the 10%, as you will get hit eventually, so evasion doesn't actually increase your worst case ehp against large hits at all, just the averaged number of those instances of damage inflicted.)

this is true but its also worth noting how completely shit pure armour and pure es builds are because of the endless barrage of damage they take. builds that have no avoidance like evasion or block or dodge... you need some insane stats on your other defenses to make a builds defences work really well without some form of avoidance like that.

you say without factoring in dodge, dodge is also like evasion, it doesnt protect against 1 hits, and % for % its worse than evasion cause you can get unlucky and roll 3 hits in a row then die to some 3k damage shitter in a split second.



what evasion really needs to be paired with in order to be good in fairness is not dodge or block, it needs gigantic hp or physical damage reduction. dodge and block are just more forms of not taking damage until you do take damage and then get 1 shot.

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Exile009 wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

An evasion-to-evasion comparison is all fine and dandy, but most (soon-to-be-old) character were running around with close-to-capped evasion AND at least 50/50 dodge/spell dodge. While we get spell suppression instead of spell dodge, I don't think "easier-to-get evasion" is making up for capped dodge on top of evasion.

I think you overstimate how many people were actually running around with capped evasion. I suspect capped dodge was even more common than capped evasion but that's just a hunch. And keep in mind that in place of dodge evasion builds now can mix in all of the other defensive options since the Acrobatics penalty that forced you into going nothing but dodge is gone now (and with spell suppression on top, since it's apparently found on the same evasion nodes and gear).