eHP of old evasion vs new evasion, and how much easier it is to hit the evade cap (w/graphs)

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Exile009 wrote:

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yamface wrote:

and enemies that randomly have rt will always hit you with dodge removed

They've said they're looking into RT enemies. There's only a handful of them in the game, so we might see that trait reworked / retired.

Yes Bex did mention publicly they are looking into this, which great!

But still doesnt address the 100% hit mechanic from entropy, which is roughly the same thing, albeit less frequent as it's not a monster trait.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Yes evasion will be easier to scale and reach caps. The OP is 100% correct. However, as I noted, this analyis is presented in a bubble. The loss of dodge, nerf to blind, and entropy makes a pure evasion build a deathtrap. Maybe not a dealbreaker for SC, or if you dont care about dying often, but in HC this just isnt viable.

This is a better response without the subtext snark but you can't list entropy as a negative lmao

consistent damage is the easiest to build around and the number of responses I see of players bagging on evade even for HC just suggests theres a shitload of players that never played evade. Yamface is rolling up like wind dancer LUL like practically every character has to build phys reduction but apparently evade means you can only take wind dancer.

Rangers, shadows etc problems are caused by lack of life, not because evade doesn't work, maybe we will all be taking ghost shrouds with some reasonable ES hybrid there are plenty of ways to fix the raw life value then its gonna be very competitive.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

But still doesnt address the 100% hit mechanic from entropy

Did you know entropy resets after 3.3 seconds of not getting attacked? The only way to get hit 100% is if you just stand there and take it.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

you can't list entropy as a negative lmao

I guess agree to disagree then.

I still don't get, and from reading reddit, at least some others dont either, when you are guaranteed to be hit, how the heck will you survive in late game encounters with an evasion build?

You say Rangers and Shadows will be problems, well yes lol, that's the majority of evasion based builds.

Also I don't see examples of the "plenty" of solutions aside from "maybe ghost shrouds?"

Anyways, although we have all the manifesto parts maybe there are still things being worked on. Seems sketch atm, but let's see how it plays out. League ain't far away.

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Revnaut wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

But still doesnt address the 100% hit mechanic from entropy

Did you know entropy resets after 3.3 seconds of not getting attacked? The only way to get hit 100% is if you just stand there and take it.

Of course, just dont get hit, why didnt anyone think of this!

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Revnaut wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

But still doesnt address the 100% hit mechanic from entropy

Did you know entropy resets after 3.3 seconds of not getting attacked? The only way to get hit 100% is if you just stand there and take it.

Of course, just dont get hit, why didnt anyone think of this!

The loser is always the one to end the argument with a snarky comment without any counter points. 1-0 me. Thanks for playing.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

consistent damage is the easiest to build around and the number of responses I see of players bagging on evade even for HC just suggests theres a shitload of players that never played evade. Yamface is rolling up like wind dancer LUL like practically every character has to build phys reduction but apparently evade means you can only take wind dancer.

yea.. if you take current acro your options is to use windancer or spend nontrivial amounts of money on gear to brute force the viability

if eva/dodge was truly that viable youd see everyone playing eva/dodge classes like it was 2013

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Right but this fine analysis forgets to mention that with entropy you are guaranteed to be hit at some point.

In later maps & endgame this means death is assured.

no, entropy doesnt mean you are guaranteed to get hit, taking 1000s of attack hits per map with a cap on evasion being 1 in 20 hits getting through means you are guaranteed to get hit.

entropy guarantees you dont take the hits (that you would always take regardless) in a row, meaning you wont die to burst damage because you got unlucky.

entropy is the best thing about evasion, it is 100% positive.



thinking that if you dont have entropy you would not get hit with 95% evade chance vs 1000s of attack hits landing is just poor understanding of how odds work.

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Krayken wrote:

This is not really effective HP as in it doesn't help against one shots, which are rampant in poe. Helps a shit ton against packs but against some bosses that effective HP goes down the drain pretty fast. I've always laughed at those poe build guides that says they have like 275k effective HP.

i dunno, an awful lot of '1 shots' are instant bursts of damage than can be mitigated with avoidance. you see a lot of pure armour builds who dont use block or evasion getting instantly obliterated by bursts of attacks in the death highlight reels.

it can definitely go both ways.

Evasion being easier to get opens up avenues that were otherwise not realistic. Those avenues being armor and energy shield. If capping is so much easier, you can stack other methods to handle being hit. Hell even ward might work.

Many of these analysis just state 1 in 10 as if it’s completely unavoidable. The entropy resets after a period of not being hit as well. Your play style impacts that dramatically.

For the first time in a long time I’m considering league start on right side because I like hybrid builds even though they bite me in the ass always.

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Exile009 wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

An evasion-to-evasion comparison is all fine and dandy, but most (soon-to-be-old) character were running around with close-to-capped evasion AND at least 50/50 dodge/spell dodge. While we get spell suppression instead of spell dodge, I don't think "easier-to-get evasion" is making up for capped dodge on top of evasion.

I think you overstimate how many people were actually running around with capped evasion. I suspect capped dodge was even more common than capped evasion but that's just a hunch.

put it this way, a raider who currently has 13k evasion and blinds is evasion capped.


its not hard at all, and im not even sure the same char will now be evasion capped given the blind changes? someone will have to math it.

but if ur a raider with 13k evasion you now basically take 300% more attack damage and 100% more spell damage thanks to these 'buffs' to defence. its a gigantic shitshow for evasion, thats one of the biggest nerfs i have ever seen in this game, its actually crazy now much they are nerfing evasion defences.