Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

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SimonAdebisi wrote:

Good decision.You need to earn these items.

How can I earn a more stable version of POE and a better trading system without the use of third party tools?

Do I need to wait another 10 years? Is that all part of the experience?

This is a bit of a shit post, but so is your comment. This change doesn't address some of the main flaws highlighted by Chris himself.

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That’s an odd assumption to make. Not everyone is minimum wage working 70 hours a week. Some people have good careers.

I don’t min-max. I play a character until I’m done and move on, as the game does not require min maxing to play. So these changes don’t affect me. Harvest was helpful, but unnecessary for the game.

All the rage in this thread is from people with short sighted vision of game design. This is not the last change to crafting, despite the overreaction here

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People with "good careers" as you call it usually work at least 60-70h a week. That is what makes a career good - high salary, but that comes at a price. Much responsiblity and high workload. High salary and much free time to play games is an illusion.

If you don't min-max, that does not mean no one else does it or should do it. Don't extrapolate your expectations on everyone else.

The last point you are making seems also off. If crafting is to be changed even more in the future, why would you remove Harvest right now? Why not fix it all together, at the right time?

Not all high paying jobs work big hours, I’ll give you that tip. The more I get paid the less hours I work.

My point was min maxing is not required. So it matters little that Harvest crafting is removed. Some people used it and are cranky that it’s gone. They’ll be happy one day in the future or they will leave.

As long as GGG is making improvements in line with their objectives, the game will live on. Kowtowing to the infantile screeching of these forums will never be a winning strategy.

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HowToGusta wrote:

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SimonAdebisi wrote:

Good decision.You need to earn these items.

How can I earn a more stable version of POE and a better trading system without the use of third party tools?

Do I need to wait another 10 years? Is that all part of the experience?

This is a bit of a shit post, but so is your comment. This change doesn't address some of the main flaws highlighted by Chris himself.

I dont care about you and i have literally 0 idea why you quote me with this nonsense.I just commented manifesto.

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I_NO wrote:

Tantrums and more tantrums do what you will it won't change the decision.

You have 40/40. Somehow your take doesn't surprise me.

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SovietPride wrote:

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I_NO wrote:

Tantrums and more tantrums do what you will it won't change the decision.

You have 40/40. Somehow your take doesn't surprise me.

Tantrums and more tantrums do what you will it won't change the decision.

I haven’t played much this league, I have the same opinion as that guy. What ad hominem will you throw at me?

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Ghostseer wrote:

My point was min maxing is not required. So it matters little that Harvest crafting is removed.

Alot of people enjoy crafting shiny things for that reason alone, and consequently spend more time playing. Player retention is a good thing.
It also matters alot more for hipster builds that actually do require the item power, thus enabling for a more diverse set of builds in the later stages of the game.

Your assumption that harvest crafting matters little because it's not required to play the game is based on a very narrow mindset of why players actually play.

I like playing slightly off meta builds. Harvest crafting helps out with that ALOT. It looks like I've been buying supporter packs off and on since Ascendancies were first added. Do I need to not buy for 2-4 leagues to get Chris's attention?

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SimonAdebisi wrote:

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HowToGusta wrote:

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SimonAdebisi wrote:

Good decision.You need to earn these items.

How can I earn a more stable version of POE and a better trading system without the use of third party tools?

Do I need to wait another 10 years? Is that all part of the experience?

This is a bit of a shit post, but so is your comment. This change doesn't address some of the main flaws highlighted by Chris himself.

I dont care about you and i have literally 0 idea why you quote me with this nonsense.I just commented manifesto.

You're commenting on a forum with a bunch of people you don't know who will quote you if they feel like it- you couldn't figure that out eh?

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Athenaea wrote:

I like playing slightly off meta builds. Harvest crafting helps out with that ALOT. It looks like I've been buying supporter packs off and on since Ascendancies were first added. Do I need to not buy for 2-4 leagues to get Chris's attention?

>Toxic rain
>ball lightning mines
>off meta

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HowToGusta wrote:

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Rakushi wrote:

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HowToGusta wrote:

Hmm, fair enough, I just don't think expressing dissatisfaction and wanting your money back is completely nuts. But, I think if you've supported up until now, you've supported what you've enjoyed, so leave it at that. The insane thing would be to keep funding something you don't like/enjoy.

Have to agree with I_NO here, it's not constructive, or in any form critism. It's assuming privilidges that nobody granted you. Telling GGG that you won't support them if this change goes trough, is so wrong too. Blackmailing to get your things? Really? What makes one believe that they'd listen to that... YOu can express that you don't support the decision, but so many in this manifesto have done it in a, shall I say, less than optimal way...

QQing doesn't get you anywhere, basically

Did you even read what I wrote?

Why would you pay for a product/service that you don't like? That is the consumer's choice/right and if they decide to vocalise it on their way out I don't see a problem with it. GGG has a responsbility as a business to address their customer's dissatisfaction when they accept money for a product/service in order to fund their operations, offset their costs and make a profit. You don't buy a table, receive it half broken and keep your mouth shut. How is it blackmail to say you don't want to support someone/something if they proceed down a certain path? Players are not forcing GGG to do anything realistically speaking. Such a strange perception of reality you have...

I am sorry, we've seem to have had a missunderstanding here.

The issue I've talked about isn't that people voice dissatisfaction, but the way it is being done. I can tell you that my table is broken, and what I don't like about it, or I could yell at you that you're the worst scum on earth, and I will never consider buying anything from you ever again, and wish you'd refund me for the table, that was perfectly fine, 2 years ago, or I will be angry. Take a guess which one I am miffled about and can be considered attempted, albeit hilariously incompetent, blackmail?

Also, GGG isn't "just a business" either. It's a team of developers that have a game in mind that they wanted to create, and it's in their right to do so. And you'll admit, that they've done overall a good job at it, because you've returned playing the game, too.

Sadly, you fill in the basket of people with entitlement, the way you word it, and I'd like to show you that: "Customer's dissatisfaction when they accept money for a product/service in order to fund their operations". You don't purchase a service. You don't purchase the right to play the game, you already have it. Supporterpacks are more akin to donations to the cause. Funding, yes, but not something you are supposed to expect a return from. And you seem to believe it is that way, do you not? You can certainly vote with your wallet, and that is fine, you are free to vocalize that even, but don't go around and say BECAUSE you've paid this much, that it somehow makes you entitled to mold the way GGG wants the game to go, and feel is the right way to go. Sorry if parts have offended you, and for the missunderstanding prior.