Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

A stronger crafting system is nessecary in PoE to fix the fact their some of their core item designs make finding items terrible. The main problems with harvest is that finding crafts is also terrible, it still interacts with the core items system in a heavy gambling way which is too close to finding items, and that it's mostly an ultra end game vanity thing for after there's no more content so it's not presented in a way to help gearing anyway.

It should just be gutted and most of the stuff moved to the crafting bench, especially swapping resistances that needs to be easily accessible.
bring back harvest in original state pls.
Hell I would play SSF only if they put harvest back in 3.14 state, just make any items impossible to move to trade league. They go to remove only tab if worn by characters than transfer.
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trixxar wrote:
Hell I would play SSF only if they put harvest back in 3.14 state, just make any items impossible to move to trade league. They go to remove only tab if worn by characters than transfer.


Yes Indeed, SSF Original Harvest? sign me up!
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trixxar wrote:
Hell I would play SSF only if they put harvest back in 3.14 state, just make any items impossible to move to trade league. They go to remove only tab if worn by characters than transfer.


Yes Indeed, SSF Original Harvest? sign me up!


They could do it without soulbound items.

But we would have to give up the ability to save crafts for later. In return, they could bump up the rates and it wouldn't feel bad to solo farm for them. So throwing them out or using them inefficiently wouldn't feel as wasteful.

All they have to do is make Harvest a single portal entry similar to the labyrinth. If you leave/die you cannot re-enter. Just have it drop all the items on the ground outside like Incursion does at the end.

That way you must have the item in your inventory or stash before you go in and know what the mods there are. The only way to sell crafts would be setting up something like a lab farming service, they give you the item and tell you want they want on it, and you keep running until you find it.

Harvest crafted items wouldn't be OP with a single players worth of harvest finds over the course of a league. What breaks it is the ability for a player to use currency to buy the best finds from everyone in the league. It's essentially thousands of players worth of crafts being funneled into a single item.

If a mirror tier item takes dozens, potentially hundreds of augments to perfect. Good luck farming that in 3 months, even with boosted rates.
Some mechanics in Harvest need to change, given that Archnemesis mods spawn on harvest mobs.

In particular, some monsters are just un-killable. I'm in a T10 map, and for the most part I'm clearing T10 maps just fine. This particular T10 map has "Monsters gain 34% of maximum life as extra maximum energy shield", so the monsters are a bit more tanky than usual, perhaps. So I go into a harvest and there's a monster from a blue harvest with the Trickster mod, and a resists elemental damage mod. It's unkillable. I'm a projectile build - spark, and even if I get it to just run into a corner of the harvest map every time it pops its ice wall ability and does its run away thing its energy shield regens faster than I can damage it. Even with a level 21 spark gem, I'm still not getting through its ES before the regen begins, and by the time the regen ends, it's back to full ES again, despite my damage.

So, under other circumstances, this would be fine, who gives a shit, it's only one monster, and it runs away from me anyway, I'll just ignore it and do everything else in the map.

The only problem is, that because this monster is still alive, I cannot access any of the crafts from any of the other harvest plots where I've killed all of the monsters. I don't care if there's the occasional monster I can't kill, but it's a bit shit when it bricks my whole harvest even though I can kill literally everything else.
Last edited by HoneyBadGerMan on May 22, 2022, 4:45:38 AM
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jerot wrote:


Harvest crafted items wouldn't be OP with a single players worth of harvest finds over the course of a league. What breaks it is the ability for a player to use currency to buy the best finds from everyone in the league. It's essentially thousands of players worth of crafts being funneled into a single item.


Exactly.

The inability to refute or even respond to valid points like this is ridiculous.

Why have a forums you never post on or read?
Bring Back any way of Deterministc Crafting PLEASE!

Calling this "Crafting" in the current state of the Game is a Shame in my Opinion im sorry. CRAFTING IN THIS GAME WAS ALWAYS A GAMBLE! EVEN WHEN HARVEST WAS THAT GOOD! Also there Crafts was Hilarious expensiv and Rare.


Rng is OK and needed in Diffrent Ways. BUT to much RNG is no Fun anymore. Hope you guys learn this someday but to be honest i really lost the Hope for that.
We all love this Game here. But the Effort and Currency + Time you have to put into 1 single Item to be good is Ridiculous.

Fact is: This Game has been Changed over the Years (Good and Bad Ways) but NOBODY i mean almost NOBODY want to use there Hard earned Currency to waste it and Brick it then. Thats for sure not fun and also not OKAY im sorry.

The current State of Harvest is a Shame and should be removed Entirely! Pretty much after the Big nerfs back then to this Mechanic you had to put it completely out. But you keept it (Nothing Half and Nothing Whole).

Sometimes i really try to understand you Guys. But to be Honest everything that was fun over the last Couple Years that Players enjoyed got Pretty much removed from the Game OR over rolled from a Truck!


PS: Recombinators are a Joke :P No Clue what you Guys was Thinking there xD

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SandeR87A wrote:
Bring Back any way of Deterministc Crafting PLEASE!

Calling this "Crafting" in the current state of the Game is a Shame in my Opinion im sorry. CRAFTING IN THIS GAME WAS ALWAYS A GAMBLE! EVEN WHEN HARVEST WAS THAT GOOD! Also there Crafts was Hilarious expensiv and Rare.


Rng is OK and needed in Diffrent Ways. BUT to much RNG is no Fun anymore. Hope you guys learn this someday but to be honest i really lost the Hope for that.
We all love this Game here. But the Effort and Currency + Time you have to put into 1 single Item to be good is Ridiculous.

Fact is: This Game has been Changed over the Years (Good and Bad Ways) but NOBODY i mean almost NOBODY want to use there Hard earned Currency to waste it and Brick it then. Thats for sure not fun and also not OKAY im sorry.

The current State of Harvest is a Shame and should be removed Entirely! Pretty much after the Big nerfs back then to this Mechanic you had to put it completely out. But you keept it (Nothing Half and Nothing Whole).

Sometimes i really try to understand you Guys. But to be Honest everything that was fun over the last Couple Years that Players enjoyed got Pretty much removed from the Game OR over rolled from a Truck!


PS: Recombinators are a Joke :P No Clue what you Guys was Thinking there xD




AMEN !!!!


revert this casino slot machine you call crafting

I write it in many threads : … ONLY CRAFTING WE HAVE IS THE BENCH !

Rest is pure gambling no ifs or buts

Respect
Your strength is the law !!

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eldest-bike4 wrote:
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SandeR87A wrote:
Bring Back any way of Deterministc Crafting PLEASE!

Calling this "Crafting" in the current state of the Game is a Shame in my Opinion im sorry. CRAFTING IN THIS GAME WAS ALWAYS A GAMBLE! EVEN WHEN HARVEST WAS THAT GOOD! Also there Crafts was Hilarious expensiv and Rare.


Rng is OK and needed in Diffrent Ways. BUT to much RNG is no Fun anymore. Hope you guys learn this someday but to be honest i really lost the Hope for that.
We all love this Game here. But the Effort and Currency + Time you have to put into 1 single Item to be good is Ridiculous.

Fact is: This Game has been Changed over the Years (Good and Bad Ways) but NOBODY i mean almost NOBODY want to use there Hard earned Currency to waste it and Brick it then. Thats for sure not fun and also not OKAY im sorry.

The current State of Harvest is a Shame and should be removed Entirely! Pretty much after the Big nerfs back then to this Mechanic you had to put it completely out. But you keept it (Nothing Half and Nothing Whole).

Sometimes i really try to understand you Guys. But to be Honest everything that was fun over the last Couple Years that Players enjoyed got Pretty much removed from the Game OR over rolled from a Truck!


PS: Recombinators are a Joke :P No Clue what you Guys was Thinking there xD




AMEN !!!!


revert this casino slot machine you call crafting

I write it in many threads : … ONLY CRAFTING WE HAVE IS THE BENCH !

Rest is pure gambling no ifs or buts

Respect


100% true!
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