The Multi-box Thread: How it ruins the game.

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scorpitron wrote:

you forgot one thing...

if i don't care about multiboxers, maybe im not casual but im in HC league where our economy is stable?

Would you like me and a couple friends to change that?

Multiboxing leads to RTM. GGG is against RTM so they should be against multiboxing

The primary causes of the economic turmoil are the Chaos Orb formula and using Exalts on maps.

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b15h09 wrote:

A lot of people don't understand something very important. The prices you see are what they are because of the games design. It has very little to do with supply and demand anymore. Nothing to do with multiboxing. Everything to do with an RNG currency/crafting system. Very low currency drop rates and very low crafting roll rates mean that the item you want is worth a lot. Sorry. It's not inflation. It's the design.

While I do think that multiboxing IS hurting the economy for your average, non-multiboxing player, I think the above is the other side of the coin, and is also a huge issue. It's just that no one talks about it, because it isn't as sensational as "OMG MBOXERS!11!". Exalts are ridiculously rare, and their effects for their rarity are still extremely RNG; people getting +1 to thorns and such on an exalt. This means the demand for them is likely always going to be ridiculously high.

I can't help but wonder how many people don't even bother to use exalts, due to their rarity and overwhelming likeliness to give you a dog shit mod to your item, and instead use them solely as currency.

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flab wrote:

Those can't be causes, at least, not the exalts. That doesn't even make sense, people paying 16+ chaos for a single mod on a map? You have got to be joking to suggest that there are enough idiots around with enough exalteds doing this regularly enough on consumable maps for this to be the CAUSE of problems. That would be a massive sign of other problems imo.

If it is actually the cause, rather than a side-effect of other issues, I will quit the game right now because it would be evidence of PoE supporting the largest number of braindead retards on the planet. I don't want to be part of that, thanks.

Well, those are the top 2 causes, anyway. The Chaos Orb formula, and other formulas that allow guaranteed creation of lower orbs, are a far bigger culprit than the Exalt maps fad. Over time, no currency with a vendor formula is going to compete against currencies that only happen through random drops.

There are people exalting maps, despite the cost; some people will pay through the nose to ensure proper leveling progression by making every map nearly perfect and having minimal risk of running out of high-level maps. For the most part, though, it's just a bunch of hot air that manages to drive prices up; those kind of dedicated, rich power-levelers aren't all that common. I think it would have been more accurate for me to say that, on the coattails of the exalt maps fad, the Exalted Orb became the most official currency of the realm, achieving a true Stone of Jordan/high rune status, and that the main reason for their popularity now is the known and guaranteed utility of their use as a currency, not any actual intent to spend it or not. In other words, it's not so much that they are being used on maps; it's that they can be, they're rare as hell, and there isn't a formula for them.

The only way to stabilize vendorable orb value against Exalt value is to create vendor formulas for Exalts. Drag them down with them. Full sets of uniques or something similar, itemlevel raised to avoid early-game exploits.

First of all I do not use Multi Accounts. For most of the time I just play for me.

Oh come on, this whole MIMIMI about Item/Currency grinder just exists because people do not want to wait for RNG luck. They want results fast, and fast is buying.

You can't blame the guys who runs a farm with 10 people grinding 24/7 and sell them for real money to people that are willing to pay. You can't even blame the private Person that runs this stuff to get more currency to buy things.

And if he just uses the mats to craft items for himself you will not even get touched...but this is something strange? MultiAccount and then just craft for your own?

The whole problem are the gamers that buy things then just play the game and let RNG do its magic. And yes it is that simple and thats why this whole currency Farming chinese companies don't hurt me. They didn't hurt me even in D3. Just do the simple job, change your attitude towards the game. Accept that you will maybe never find the perfect item.

If you can't live with this. You can just spend 3 hours a week in this game and so you think "I have to buy Items. Me buying Items so efficiant. So me getting progress! So strong and skilled me am buy buying Items XAXAXAXAAXA". Go and fucking create your own trading portal for the "real" players.

Setting up a Forum is not that hard. Allowing just people in your small "7th Heaven" like world that you check. And live the dream.

But plz stop QQ the Forum with stuff that is here because there is a market. There are people willing to pay Money for exalts / willing to buy the items they want for absurd high currency. And GGG can't do a shit against this because it is what a part of the player pool wants to do. And its how a free market works.

no ur right, they dont hurt you. they hurt EVERYONE who wants to trade. i want to trade. i cant trade.

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DatChen wrote:

no ur right, they dont hurt you. they hurt EVERYONE who wants to trade. i want to trade. i cant trade.

Never shown to be true in any game ever, which would be why its legal in nearly every game ever.

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Kissell13 wrote:

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DatChen wrote:

no ur right, they dont hurt you. they hurt EVERYONE who wants to trade. i want to trade. i cant trade.

Never shown to be true in any game ever, which would be why its legal in nearly every game ever.

So, one person, playing 6 characters and profiting from the advantage of increased drops is perfectly fine?

At what point does stupidity and blatant selfishness completely remove any sense of fair play and social interaction...

*hint*
Hi.
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