We changed the cooldown on Cast on Crit! (This is a buff)

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I_NO wrote:
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arknath wrote:
Farming for Voll's Devotion is going to be rough so I will be going for a different opening build until I got the stuff to try this build again :)


Just do UGS for my card :3


Gonna take alot of survivalists to buy a volls...... . . ..

I'm kidding
Nice I really like it.
I played a Fakener Build back then and Upgraded to Cospris.

Now what are other cool CoC Build without Cyclone/Cospris/etc?

I heard someone mention Bow CoC?
now-a-days with the crazy amounts of base crit you can get you could easily make a quill rain coc build work. hell it even worked way back in the day.

im sure we'll see an MF windripper coc build this league now. guaranteed.
still kinda hard to compare to old one.
lets compare - with old one (i wont discuss super old CoC, no sense) we had 0.05 cd, so u could cast 20 spell per sec. But it had chance to proc 68%, so it was 13.6 cast per second technicaly.
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now we have 0.150 cd, which is 6,6 casts per second.
But it has 40% more spell dmg.
And with sacrificing couple good stats on belt or boots we can have cd recovery, so is can be probably like 8 casts per second.
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So, 13,6 casts vs 8 casts and 40% more dmg. Which is better? (i dunno,cause im dumb,thats why im asking).
Probably more dmg = pure multiplier? so we can “kinda” compare 13,6 number to 8*1.4=11.2; so its still worse? (also according to thing that we need instead super easy cheap belts-boots couple of clunky crafted ones, with needed mod AND good other stats.
For sure i will try it anyway in new league, but as i think i should not expect something super overwhelming from this, comparing to my old 0,05 cd builds before.
But also some skills like Arc became stronger, so u may keep this in mind. (so maybe it will be even in normal mapping). But we also got harder content, so idk how to compare this :D
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Melanholic7 wrote:
still kinda hard to compare to old one.
lets compare - with old one (i wont discuss super old CoC, no sense) we had 0.05 cd, so u could cast 20 spell per sec. But it had chance to proc 68%, so it was 13.6 cast per second technicaly.
____
now we have 0.150 cd, which is 6,6 casts per second.
But it has 40% more spell dmg.
And with sacrificing couple good stats on belt or boots we can have cd recovery, so is can be probably like 8 casts per second.
___
So, 13,6 casts vs 8 casts and 40% more dmg. Which is better? (i dunno,cause im dumb,thats why im asking).
Probably more dmg = pure multiplier? so we can “kinda” compare 13,6 number to 8*1.4=11.2; so its still worse? (also according to thing that we need instead super easy cheap belts-boots couple of clunky crafted ones, with needed mod AND good other stats.
For sure i will try it anyway in new league, but as i think i should not expect something super overwhelming from this, comparing to my old 0,05 cd builds before.
But also some skills like Arc became stronger, so u may keep this in mind. (so maybe it will be even in normal mapping). But we also got harder content, so idk how to compare this :D


If its actually as close as 13.6 vs 11.2 then it's going to be an absolute monster with all the new gear the game has added since coc died even with the death of vaal pact and surgeon flasks.

I'm guessing streamers will make the build far out of reach of many players if this is the case.
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Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Nov 28, 2018, 7:17:10 PM
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Nephalim wrote:
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Melanholic7 wrote:
still kinda hard to compare to old one.
lets compare - with old one (i wont discuss super old CoC, no sense) we had 0.05 cd, so u could cast 20 spell per sec. But it had chance to proc 68%, so it was 13.6 cast per second technicaly.
____
now we have 0.150 cd, which is 6,6 casts per second.
But it has 40% more spell dmg.
And with sacrificing couple good stats on belt or boots we can have cd recovery, so is can be probably like 8 casts per second.
___
So, 13,6 casts vs 8 casts and 40% more dmg. Which is better? (i dunno,cause im dumb,thats why im asking).
Probably more dmg = pure multiplier? so we can “kinda” compare 13,6 number to 8*1.4=11.2; so its still worse? (also according to thing that we need instead super easy cheap belts-boots couple of clunky crafted ones, with needed mod AND good other stats.
For sure i will try it anyway in new league, but as i think i should not expect something super overwhelming from this, comparing to my old 0,05 cd builds before.
But also some skills like Arc became stronger, so u may keep this in mind. (so maybe it will be even in normal mapping). But we also got harder content, so idk how to compare this :D


If its actually as close as 13.6 vs 11.2 then it's going to be an absolute monster with all the new gear the game has added since coc died even with the death of vaal pact and surgeon flasks.

I'm guessing streamers will make the build far out of reach of many players if this is the case.

oh shi, i totally forgot about flask nerfs and vaal pact nerf :( damn. thats sad.
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Shppy wrote:

oh no, i wasn't clear, the vortex is what you'll need to replace, on account of it being turned into an instant cast skill with a cd. Firestorm is totally fine. Flame surge is a bit meh for triggering since its base cast time is so fast already, but still pretty good dps.



Wish I can use Discharge, but it is not too reliant unless......I use this shield




I can go for spells like Spark, Glacial Cascade, or something else. I might drop Herald of Ice for Herald of Ash because of Firestorm and Flame Surge.

A bit tricky really to find a good trigger spell without using a skill that does currently exist in my other builds (to avoid sameness). However, I use Cyclone in numerous builds with different purposes, so the excuse is mute. lol



Edit: So far, Glacial Cascade and Shock Nova have been doing a better job than Vortex.
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Last edited by JohnNamikaze#6516 on Nov 29, 2018, 2:26:59 AM
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I_NO wrote:
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arknath wrote:
Farming for Voll's Devotion is going to be rough so I will be going for a different opening build until I got the stuff to try this build again :)


Just do UGS for my card :3

worst advice ever..
wouldn't the cool down reduction work with this? So a 35% CDR bring CoCs cool down to .0975?

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ladish wrote:
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I_NO wrote:
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arknath wrote:
Farming for Voll's Devotion is going to be rough so I will be going for a different opening build until I got the stuff to try this build again :)


Just do UGS for my card :3

worst advice ever..


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