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vio wrote:

all i wanted to say is that crafting, trading and finding an item compete with each other when it comes to gearing your char and should be balanced with each other so all are an option.


There is no way to make "trading" balanced with "finding".
No one will ever want to buy an item, that drops often enough (for example, almost no one buys "scroll of wisdom" because they drop often enough for everyone). That's why drop rates for "good items" are so low in PoE - so market wont be instantly over-saturated with them. And when "trading" is allowed and game is balanced around it, expect that every sane player will get 95%+ upgrades with trading (usually - 99%).
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@Lastyk Hi, I'd like to buy your 46 fusing for my 24 chaos in Incursion.

That character is not online.

@RangedSpank Hi, I'd like to buy your 90 fusing for my 50 chaos in Incursion.

No response.

@дедушка_вдв Hi, I'd like to buy your 20 fusing for my 11 chaos in Incursion.

No response.

@RonyalVashRot Hi, I'd like to buy your 19 fusing for my 10 chaos in Incursion.

No response.



Wow! This is so much fun! I am sure glad i get to pay such a large opportunity cost for buying simple fuse! Great trading path of Exile! I can sure tell that you have worked hard on this the last 6 years, very well done!
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
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vio wrote:

all i wanted to say is that crafting, trading and finding an item compete with each other when it comes to gearing your char and should be balanced with each other so all are an option.


There is no way to make "trading" balanced with "finding".
No one will ever want to buy an item, that drops often enough (for example, almost no one buys "scroll of wisdom" because they drop often enough for everyone). That's why drop rates for "good items" are so low in PoE - so market wont be instantly over-saturated with them. And when "trading" is allowed and game is balanced around it, expect that every sane player will get 95%+ upgrades with trading (usually - 99%).


but what you wrote is mostly true but if 95% of players just buy their items, who sells them and how do they get them? and is it fair how those players got their hands on those items and got rich?
anyway, if 90%++ of players just buy their items something is really off.

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Koheleth wrote:
@Lastyk Hi, I'd like to buy your 46 fusing for my 24 chaos in Incursion.

That character is not online.

@RangedSpank Hi, I'd like to buy your 90 fusing for my 50 chaos in Incursion.

No response.

@дедушка_вдв Hi, I'd like to buy your 20 fusing for my 11 chaos in Incursion.

No response.

@RonyalVashRot Hi, I'd like to buy your 19 fusing for my 10 chaos in Incursion.

No response.



Wow! This is so much fun! I am sure glad i get to pay such a large opportunity cost for buying simple fuse! Great trading path of Exile! I can sure tell that you have worked hard on this the last 6 years, very well done!


it's funny that you don't complain about all the time these posts of yours took, but you'll complain about the above - INSTEAD OF JUST SCROLLING DOWN AND ACTUALLY TRADING FOR A REAL RATE. (.52 or .54 vs .56), by the looks of it)

you could have easily just messaged the player with a huge stockpile at 50:88 and likely have a very quick/easy trade, but you'd rather spam the above and then paste it here.

you're blaming the game's trade for your refusal to think critically. ironically, you're displaying the actual opportunity cost for trying to trade at a rate that's more favourable to you than the general baseline. this is basically econ 101.
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vio wrote:

but what you wrote is mostly true but if 95% of players just buy their items, who sells them and how do they get them? and is it fair how those players got their hands on those items and got rich?
anyway, if 90%++ of players just buy their items something is really off.


It's very simple - players sell their "old" items to others (or items, that are weaker than their own), or items that dont fit their build (there are decades of builds in PoE, so even if you find a worthy item, there is a huge chance that it will NOT fit YOUR build).

If players buy their items considerably less than 90% of the time (let's say, 70%), then the game is actually a SSF one, and there is no real reason to allow trading or make any trading system.
IGN: MortalKombat
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That is not power
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robmafia wrote:
INSTEAD OF JUST SCROLLING DOWN AND ACTUALLY TRADING FOR A REAL RATE. (.52 or .54 vs .56), by the looks of it)


Please, tell me, HOW am i supposed to know the "REAL RATE"? Sometimes it's 10 positions below, sometimes - 30, sometimes - 50. Why a system, where seller can write a "price" and then decline to trade for it,is allowed to exist at all? It's nothing more than a legalized SCAM!
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Molten Strike build guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1346504

There is no knowledge
That is not power
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
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robmafia wrote:
INSTEAD OF JUST SCROLLING DOWN AND ACTUALLY TRADING FOR A REAL RATE. (.52 or .54 vs .56), by the looks of it)


Please, tell me, HOW am i supposed to know the "REAL RATE"? Sometimes it's 10 positions below, sometimes - 30, sometimes - 50. Why a system, where seller can write a "price" and then decline to trade for it,is allowed to exist at all? It's nothing more than a legalized SCAM!

It isnt a scam its how trading works and allows for grey areas like realizing you under-priced something etc. Have players taken advantage sure, but also a lot of cheap currency trades have already vanished, poe.trade has a delay.
Poe has always had the ability to scam and the player has always had the ability to reject an offer right up to the last second.
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
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robmafia wrote:
INSTEAD OF JUST SCROLLING DOWN AND ACTUALLY TRADING FOR A REAL RATE. (.52 or .54 vs .56), by the looks of it)


Please, tell me, HOW am i supposed to know the "REAL RATE"? Sometimes it's 10 positions below, sometimes - 30, sometimes - 50. Why a system, where seller can write a "price" and then decline to trade for it,is allowed to exist at all? It's nothing more than a legalized SCAM!


step 1 - use eyeballs. if unsure, see step 1.5
step 1.5 - are the cheapest listings not responding to you?
step 2 - notice a lot of listings at a similar/same rate, grouped a bit under the cheapest? that's probably it. and it's here where you're likely to get quick/easy trades, so you should probably just start here and save yourself time. and apparently a crazy amount of stress, if you are or are like the OP
step 3 - ????
step 4 - profit!


and btw - the "seller" could have already sold whatever or went afk for a couple minutes. or ignored you. additionally, any items/currencies of the "seller" are the sellers. you're not entitled to anything just because you typed ctrl+v and enter.
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robmafia wrote:
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
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robmafia wrote:
INSTEAD OF JUST SCROLLING DOWN AND ACTUALLY TRADING FOR A REAL RATE. (.52 or .54 vs .56), by the looks of it)


Please, tell me, HOW am i supposed to know the "REAL RATE"? Sometimes it's 10 positions below, sometimes - 30, sometimes - 50. Why a system, where seller can write a "price" and then decline to trade for it,is allowed to exist at all? It's nothing more than a legalized SCAM!


step 1 - use eyeballs. if unsure, see step 1.5
step 1.5 - are the cheapest listings not responding to you?
step 2 - notice a lot of listings at a similar/same rate, grouped a bit under the cheapest? that's probably it. and it's here where you're likely to get quick/easy trades, so you should probably just start here and save yourself time. and apparently a crazy amount of stress, if you are or are like the OP
step 3 - ????
step 4 - profit!


and btw - the "seller" could have already sold whatever or went afk for a couple minutes. or ignored you. additionally, any items/currencies of the "seller" are the sellers. you're not entitled to anything just because you typed ctrl+v and enter.


So, essentially, waste an hour of your time instead of several minutes with proper trading system. An hour, that i could spend actually PLAYING the game!
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There is no knowledge
That is not power
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
So, essentially, waste an hour of your time instead of several minutes with proper trading system. An hour, that i could spend actually PLAYING the game!

That's the whole point of keeping trade viscous. You just spent an hour in game without progressing.
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