[3.5] Ghoulish Overkill! Zombie+Skeleton Baron build

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lalelunatic wrote:

first for the guy with the slow zombies:

yes they´re stupid... well they´re zombies...
a little trick to get them to act quick, much like a direct cast spell is, to use convocation, either in a when dmg taken setup, or in your case directly cast.

it works by resetting the zombies targeting and lets them lock the nearest enemy after the cast, and well, you can kind of controll that, by running into a pack, cast, and run away. the zombies will close to instantly aoe slam everything to bits.

and yeah i know the cool down is shit, but at least its kind of a hotfix for the real stupid maneuvers. =)

and secondary:

thanks for the answer on shock OP, really apreciated... i started to tinker around a bit again, as i got a better idea of the mechanic now. =)

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So, first off, I'd like to point you towards my video of the build, where I run a T13 arsenal (and the incursion within) in about 5 minutes.
https://youtu.be/jpHIJJmPWlk

Secondly, I really don't think that 5-10% movespeed is going to give you nearly as much as you think it will, and zombie survivability really isn't an issue. I can count on one hand the number of zombies I lose per day, aside from disconnects and logging out, that is.

if you're really concerned about zombie movement, which as I've stated multiple times through this thread isn't as big of a concern as you seem to think it is (skeletons do a lot of the work for trash packs, with zombies cleaning up after, and zombies are largely there to wreck bosses -- you can even run both in a single 6-L. It works surprisingly well.) But, if you're worried about it, there's a number of options: 1: allow your zombies to miss from time to time, from having too much attack speed for their cooldown, by giving them minion speed support rather than one of the other supports in the link. 2: CWDT+Convocation+Desecrate link (I'd replace the enfeeble totem and clarity with this, probably. 3: essence craft minion movespeed on accessories (the deafening essence is like 9c in ISC right now.)
4: Null and Void gloves are another option, giving you rampage, and therefore movespeed/attack speed for you and your minions.

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grimlock9999 wrote:

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So, first off, I'd like to point you towards my video of the build, where I run a T13 arsenal (and the incursion within) in about 5 minutes.
https://youtu.be/jpHIJJmPWlk

Secondly, I really don't think that 5-10% movespeed is going to give you nearly as much as you think it will, and zombie survivability really isn't an issue. I can count on one hand the number of zombies I lose per day, aside from disconnects and logging out, that is.

if you're really concerned about zombie movement, which as I've stated multiple times through this thread isn't as big of a concern as you seem to think it is (skeletons do a lot of the work for trash packs, with zombies cleaning up after, and zombies are largely there to wreck bosses -- you can even run both in a single 6-L. It works surprisingly well.) But, if you're worried about it, there's a number of options: 1: allow your zombies to miss from time to time, from having too much attack speed for their cooldown, by giving them minion speed support rather than one of the other supports in the link. 2: CWDT+Convocation+Desecrate link (I'd replace the enfeeble totem and clarity with this, probably. 3: essence craft minion movespeed on accessories (the deafening essence is like 9c in ISC right now.)
4: Null and Void gloves are another option, giving you rampage, and therefore movespeed/attack speed for you and your minions.

Yup, saw the video, and it prompted me to make the original post. I also read that your zombies die after T13, that you farm shaper and uber elder, and that you wanted improvements to your calculations. So I figure it's worth suggesting again that you try minion move speed. It will improve your effective DPS because the zombies arrive at their target faster. They survive more because they tank damage for less time. It won't ruin the slam uptime. Since you are running hundreds of maps, improving clearspeed makes life much better.

Here's an arsenal run with queen's escape for movespeed. 5 link zombies. Boss down 1.30, trash mob clear and loot collection done by 3 mins. (https://youtu.be/1ZRupvYgvvM)

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Valkirth wrote:

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grimlock9999 wrote:

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So, first off, I'd like to point you towards my video of the build, where I run a T13 arsenal (and the incursion within) in about 5 minutes.
https://youtu.be/jpHIJJmPWlk

Secondly, I really don't think that 5-10% movespeed is going to give you nearly as much as you think it will, and zombie survivability really isn't an issue. I can count on one hand the number of zombies I lose per day, aside from disconnects and logging out, that is.

if you're really concerned about zombie movement, which as I've stated multiple times through this thread isn't as big of a concern as you seem to think it is (skeletons do a lot of the work for trash packs, with zombies cleaning up after, and zombies are largely there to wreck bosses -- you can even run both in a single 6-L. It works surprisingly well.) But, if you're worried about it, there's a number of options: 1: allow your zombies to miss from time to time, from having too much attack speed for their cooldown, by giving them minion speed support rather than one of the other supports in the link. 2: CWDT+Convocation+Desecrate link (I'd replace the enfeeble totem and clarity with this, probably. 3: essence craft minion movespeed on accessories (the deafening essence is like 9c in ISC right now.)
4: Null and Void gloves are another option, giving you rampage, and therefore movespeed/attack speed for you and your minions.

Yup, saw the video, and it prompted me to make the original post. I also read that your zombies die after T13, that you farm shaper and uber elder, and that you wanted improvements to your calculations. So I figure it's worth suggesting again that you try minion move speed. It will improve your effective DPS because the zombies arrive at their target faster. They survive more because they tank damage for less time. It won't ruin the slam uptime. Since you are running hundreds of maps, improving clearspeed makes life much better.

Here's an arsenal run with queen's escape for movespeed. 5 link zombies. Boss down 1.30, trash mob clear and loot collection done by 3 mins. (https://youtu.be/1ZRupvYgvvM)

loved Queens escape build i tried back in breach league and is hard to beat for move compared to any minion build,interesting to see phase run used to get around manually and will have to try that myself sometime (i use it on cwdt+ic+phase run to gtfo when trouble hits :P),only issue i see is to reach that level of speed wouldn't you have to drop necro aegis/victario's charity for it to work that fast,curious how the loss of power/frenzy charges on zombies would affect oranges setup.

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A loss of Frenzy and Power charges on the minions is around a 40% damage loss on both zombies and skeletons. Plus 15% movement speed on all minions, so at best you're gaining 85% movespeed on minions. Easier to just essence craft rings imo for the 60%

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lordzetal wrote:

Hi i am very interested about this build and looking to start rolling this character. My question is to which pathing should i take on the tree first and such to have a idea of where to go for points in certian points of the game or lvl.

Thank you so much for your work on this build and look forward to playing this soon.

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lordzetal wrote:

Hi i am very interested about this build and looking to start rolling this character. My question is to which pathing should i take on the tree first and such to have a idea of where to go for points in certian points of the game or lvl.

Thank you so much for your work on this build and look forward to playing this soon.

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loved Queens escape build i tried back in breach league and is hard to beat for move compared to any minion build,interesting to see phase run used to get around manually and will have to try that myself sometime (i use it on cwdt+ic+phase run to gtfo when trouble hits :P),only issue i see is to reach that level of speed wouldn't you have to drop necro aegis/victario's charity for it to work that fast,curious how the loss of power/frenzy charges on zombies would affect oranges setup.