F the labyrinth

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MSPAHZgORN wrote:

Agree. It's a chore. Not fun at all. Annoying even. These are my opinions.

Maybe remove traps. Remove doors that block progress. More open layout (rename it something other than Layrinth). Make it shorter. Make it less tedious.

and destroy it for the ppl that like the current lab.
cant belive how stubborn and egoistic the lab haters are. The lab doesnt take much more than 15min everytime if you do it slower and without sideareas,but ofc lets destroy it since running it once is to much to ask.

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ciel289 wrote:

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MSPAHZgORN wrote:

Agree. It's a chore. Not fun at all. Annoying even. These are my opinions.

Maybe remove traps. Remove doors that block progress. More open layout (rename it something other than Layrinth). Make it shorter. Make it less tedious.

and destroy it for the ppl that like the current lab.
cant belive how stubborn and egoistic the lab haters are. The lab doesnt take much more than 15min everytime if you do it slower and without sideareas,but ofc lets destroy it since running it once is to much to ask.

Your concern about what may happen if lab changes further because so many people continue to dislike / hate it is well founded.

For reasons that often make good commercial sense, GGG frequently takes the easy path for fixing issues and the simplest response to the closing-in-on-two-years of continuous negative feedback about lab is to make it even easier (again) in ways that detract from the enjoyment of some.

A better solution would have been for GGG to provide an alternative way of attaining ascendancies, one that puts in traps only as an environmental hazard, as is usual for ARPGs, and that doesn't involve running around in an irritating long maze looking for cheese.

I still favor a "trial by combat" way of deciding the next emperor, with the gods involved and so you have an opportunity to earn ascendancy by getting some of their power when you defeat them. This would be kind of like Pantheon, only with a bigger power bump from the exercise. And, unlike the current lore for lab, trial by combat actually kind of makes sense for picking an emporer.

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Pyrokar wrote:

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ThunderBiome wrote:

Labrynth is one of my favorite things about the game. Everyone has their preference. . . but for those who hate it, there are so many players that offer lab service. Some people even just do it free. Most of the time you can find it being offered in Sarn on the noticeboards. Also ask in chat for someone to carry you through. People are willing to help all the time.

Sry, i don't need their assistance; i am a Pro Mario Player. I just hate that mario shit ruined my favorite game.

Exactly this!

Prior to the release of labyrinth, I remember thinking, "Wow, I really love this game! My favorite game of all time. I thought it was perfect but GGG keeps making it better and better and better. I wasn't too sure about this online game concept previous to PoE but it's great! My favorite game just keeps getting better and better."

After release of labyrinth, I remember thinking, "What is this crap? My favorite game of all time has disappeared somehow. I wish I could uninstall this nonsense and reinstall the old release. Crap, I gave GGG enough money to buy 10 games and now I have zero games to play for it. This online game concept is bad. I never imagined that GGG would ruin my favorite game of all time like this!"

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MSPAHZgORN wrote:

Agree. It's a chore. Not fun at all. Annoying even. These are my opinions.

Maybe remove traps. Remove doors that block progress. More open layout (rename it something other than Labyrinth). Make it shorter. Make it less tedious.

Thank you for sharing your valued opinion. This is the first time you have apparently voiced your opinion on the not fun loathsome labyrinth in this forum. Since people seem to recently be trying to tell me that my opinion is no longer valid on this matter because I've expressed it too many times, I just wanted to highlight your opinion because according to them your opinion must be more valuable than even theirs because it is apparently your first on this matter. BTW, I've added your name to the list of people that have voiced a similar opinion that I've seen in this feedback and suggestions forum. Over 360 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 960 posters in support

Everyone may now safely soak in the golden first expressed opinion of MSPAHZgORN on the labyrinth.

People here crying about something that takes such a small amount of time "ruining" the game they enjoyed before, as if you somehow can't experience the same game as before if you would just ignore the lab, when you think about it.

Not saying that is the best option, you get a lot of "free" power or rather power outside of your gear by doing it.

If only there would be an alternative way to obtain those absolutely optional Ascendancy points (/s)...

However. GGG, by making the Lab (somewhat) easier to "be done with" over time, closed that possibility in my opinion. Even if they introduce alternative way now, that will most likely be even less appealing ~read: effective) than actually do the Lab once. There would be backlash, with very high probability, so for them it's probably just safer to do nothing.

So ... yeah. Lab is probably here to stay. I am happy for those who don't mind it, I deeply understand those who do.

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Xavathos wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

In all fairness we are all saying the same shit at this point ALL OF US.
It's the same content that (thankfully) due to power creep is easier now. The fact that almost all of us that can do it pretty easily still feel the same way actually helps our points.

It's not how hard it is, we just really dislike it.

Thank you Zalhan. It's good to see at least one of us sees the truth here.
Of course I'm not saying you shouldn't dislike it, that's totally up to you. But I question the necessity of repeating it so many times. It's not like what we all say, on both sides of the argument, hasn't been said literally a thousand times by now, yet nothing has changed or is changing, not even a single reply from GGG on the matter.

Best we just assume they have read it and have taken it into consideration, meaning it will either be dealt with in a future update or not if doesn't fit into their future plans. We could stop verbally bashing each others heads in and focus on more productive and fun things.

there is a reason this flared up a month after release. Before we were busy playing :),

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Pyrokar wrote:

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ThunderBiome wrote:

Labrynth is one of my favorite things about the game. Everyone has their preference. . . but for those who hate it, there are so many players that offer lab service. Some people even just do it free. Most of the time you can find it being offered in Sarn on the noticeboards. Also ask in chat for someone to carry you through. People are willing to help all the time.

Sry, i don't need their assistance; i am a Pro Mario Player. I just hate that mario shit ruined my favourite game.

+1

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Severance2hBlade wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

cant belive how stubborn and egoistic the lab haters are. The lab doesnt take much more than 15min everytime if you do it slower and without sideareas,but ofc lets destroy it since running it once is to much to ask.

I can say the same thing about you, you sound egotistic & presumptuous when you think you know better on how the other person should "perceive" the passing of time inside Lab (or any kind of content for that matter).

You cannot decide for me how to perceive those 15+ minutes because it is my time to waste. So i apologize for repeating myself and for not having the same metrics as you. I play PoE with borrowed time, which means something else (whatever it may be) suffers for it.

Another example :

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goetzjam wrote:

People here crying about something that takes such a small amount of time "ruining" the game they enjoyed before, as if you somehow can't experience the same game as before if you would just ignore the lab, when you think about it.

What a magnificent choice of words.

"Crying" when in reality all we do is supplying feedback. And as usual you make the "small" look like "big". We do not think it "ruins" the game but rather "ruins" our gaming experience, it is that simple really. Quite an achievement on your part to fit in such much slander in such a small post. Congratulations.

As for that last part, i don't even want to guess what u mean by that.

i´m not against a diffrent option for AcP,but alle the Options mentioned are either changing/cheesing the lab or get them for "free" (stuff like get them x level later etc was suggested).

It has to be an option that is gated (like uber trials) ,should reqiure "some" knowledge to do it. (like Izarro phases) and a "gear" check. (ofc with more knowledge/skill you need less gear).

It doesnt require stuff like the traps as long as it around the "same" time/work to get them,

AC are so powerfull they should be gated somehow, but ofc not total rng.

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goetzjam wrote:

People here crying about something that takes such a small amount of time "ruining" the game they enjoyed before, as if you somehow can't experience the same game as before if you would just ignore the lab, when you think about it.

Not saying that is the best option, you get a lot of "free" power or rather power outside of your gear by doing it.

Your job is optional you choose to not be a hobo and live on the streets. Thus there is no reason to have unemployment since you choose to have a house and not dumpster dive.

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ciel289 wrote:

i´m not against a diffrent option for AcP,but alle the Options mentioned are either changing/cheesing the lab or get them for "free" (stuff like get them x level later etc was suggested).

It has to be an option that is gated (like uber trials) ,should reqiure "some" knowledge to do it. (like Izarro phases) and a "gear" check. (ofc with more knowledge/skill you need less gear).

It doesnt require stuff like the traps as long as it around the "same" time/work to get them,

AC are so powerfull they should be gated somehow, but ofc not total rng.

Its gated by pay a small fee to avoid. They need a ingame mechanic to just do the boring traps and avoid the fight instead of having to metagame out of it.

We would RATHER just do some other content instead of having the choice of legally cheating, not doing it or sucking it up and just doing it.