ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

The ironic thing about hearing about Trump, is you would think Jesus himself was running against him and got cheated out of the presidency.

It was Hillary Clinton. I dont think the economy nor the US would be doing anywhere NEAR as good right now under that beast. He's doing quite well regardless of his tweets, of your personal opinions of him or his stances. The US's economy is as good as it has been in a long time; the unemployment rate is as low as its been in a very long time. I guarantee if it stays that way, he will be re-elected again.

And all this other crap is just smoke and mirrors. Nothing is gonna happen. Also, next time don't prop up one of the most unlikeable people in America, AkA hillary clinton, if you actually want to win an election. You know the republicans didn't want Donald either, and put trash like Ted Cruz up there.

Thank god Hillary didn't win.

Not just Hillary Clinton but any other candidate would have a better economy then Trump. None of them would have been dumb enough to start a trade war or added so much debt. Trump inherited one of the best situations possible and is trying his best to screw it up.

Hah i like this 鬼殺し crybabie. :D

He is so blind.

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SnowCrash wrote:

Not just Hillary Clinton but any other candidate would have a better economy then Trump. None of them would have been dumb enough to start a trade war or added so much debt. Trump inherited one of the best situations possible and is trying his best to screw it up.

How he is screwing everything up if he is doing so well... ? :D With Hillary nothing and i mean NOTHING would be changed. And its the same with other candidates...

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PathOfExileLatvija wrote:

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SnowCrash wrote:

Not just Hillary Clinton but any other candidate would have a better economy then Trump. None of them would have been dumb enough to start a trade war or added so much debt. Trump inherited one of the best situations possible and is trying his best to screw it up.

How he is screwing everything up if he is doing so well... ? :D With Hillary nothing and i mean NOTHING would be changed. And its the same with other candidates...

Let's examine how good Trump has been actually to the economy recently.

So much for a 'Santa rally': Trump's trade war is sending the S&P 500 toward its worst December since 2002

https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/stock-market-equities-slump-as-sp-set-for-worst-december-since-2002-2018-12

Now we know how much Trump’s trade war has cost your portfolio

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/now-we-know-how-much-trumps-trade-war-has-cost-your-portfolio-2018-12-06

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How much has President Donald Trump’s meandering trade war with China, Canada, Mexico and — well, everyone — cost you? If you’re an investor in the Standard & Poor’s 500, about 6% of your money, according to a new analysis by Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Or, to put it in terms that all the newly minted “401k millionaires” we all wrote about last spring will understand, about $60,000 if you’ve got a million put away for retirement.

The positive impact from macroeconomic factors, which includes the tax cut Trump signed last December after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell shepherded it through Congress, added 1.6% to the market this year, Bhave said.

The economic impact of trade has actually been fading in recent months, in large part because news from the housing market has been weakening, rattling stock investors, as interest rates rise, Bhave added.

Donald Trump Owns This Stock Market
It wasn’t smart to dump a dovish Fed chief, run up the deficit, and start a trade war. Trump did all three.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-10/donald-trump-owns-this-stock-market

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For those looking for an explanation of why the stock market suddenly became tumultuous in the fourth quarter of 2018, you can stop searching: The answer is President Donald Trump.

I don’t say this lightly.

The Trump administration’s policies, passed as legislation by Congress and implemented by the executive branch, have driven interest rates higher, made deficits bigger and led to a trade war, and are risking a global slowdown and even a recession.

For a while, markets were able to ignore this and absorb the flow of good news about the economy, which finally was shedding the drag from the financial crisis. At the same time, I also said presidents generally get too much credit or blame for the economy, although they can, of course, screw up. Indeed, a president, whether misguided by his advisers or ill-informed (this president has both going for him), can make things much worse.

Global recession concerns: Rising rates have helped push the yield curve toward inversion, with short-term rates higher than long-term rates. At least the five-year and the two-year Treasuries have inverted; the classic recession warning is when yields on 10-year and the two-year securities invert.

I think it's widely agreed, Trump inherited a very strong economy. It took him sometime to mess everything up with his fat fingers, but eventually he managed it.

It's all downhill from here by the way, smart Republicans, like rats, are jumping the Trump ship.

Better sooner rather than later.

How he is screwing everything up if he is doing so well... ? :D With Hillary nothing and i mean NOTHING would be changed. And its the same with other candidates...[/quote]

He's not, and if everything continues the way its going, he will be re-elected in 2020. All that matters is jobs and the economy. It continues? Well, enjoy another term. Everything else is meaningless to most people.

Much like the forums, the loud minority is not always the right minority. He won even though apparently no one voted for him? It reminds me of a convo at work with a bunch of guys. Cialis came up as a topic. Everyone laughed. People saying hell no. Mocking it. Jokes. But as the conversation continued, and it got felt out by most, slowly some of them started saying they used it or something similar. The joke about it into reality thing. Before you know it, damn near 10 of the 12 people there were taking something or trying something. It was not acceptable to talk about. Thats what Trump votes look like to me. No one wants ridiculed for voting for Trump. So thats why people think no one voted. So if he continues doing good things, don't be suprised of these hidden voters re-elect him because all that matters is their own lives in the end. There are a lot of hidden trump voters out there and he hasn't done a single thing to sway that in my opinion. He's been doing a pretty bang up job.

I could show you articles saying Trump is fantastic for the economy. I could also show you even more articles saying that Trump is secretly horrible for the economy. Journalism doesn't care about ethics anymore, and if you really think about it, we're encouraging the bad behavior by trying to Google up evidence for partisan sparring — after all, would you have clicked on that article at all if its headline didn't fit your confirmation bias?

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I could show you articles saying Trump is fantastic for the economy. I could also show you even more articles saying that Trump is secretly horrible for the economy. Journalism doesn't care about ethics anymore, and if you really think about it, we're encouraging the bad behavior by trying to Google up evidence for partisan sparring — after all, would you have clicked on that article at all if its headline didn't fit your confirmation bias?

This is exactly like the 'other side of science' argument, that the US ambassador to Canada got ridiculed for recently.

It doesn't hold.

Show me these recent expert opinions about the stock market and how the trade war is awesome for the economy.

I would love to see them.

You have to give Trump credit - he has completely eliminated valid reasoning and discussion by calling most sources the magic words FAKE NEWS.

Give an authoritarian man credit where credit is due.

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PathOfExileLatvija wrote:

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SnowCrash wrote:

Not just Hillary Clinton but any other candidate would have a better economy then Trump. None of them would have been dumb enough to start a trade war or added so much debt. Trump inherited one of the best situations possible and is trying his best to screw it up.

How he is screwing everything up if he is doing so well... ? :D With Hillary nothing and i mean NOTHING would be changed. And its the same with other candidates...

Trump had to spend at recession levels to get to 2.8-3.0% growth. That's barely over Obama numbers. He had to double the deficit to do it. That growth is only gonna go down in the next couple of years. Obama's jobs number in his second term where better every year then under Trump. He's already had to bail out farmers and the every Auto maker in the US is in the red even with high sales. The longer a trade war goes on the more it will be felt.

Most people who voted for Trump wanted a trade war with China. He literally ran on dealing with trade/China as a major campaign issue.

Not sure why you people think Trump doing what he said he was going to do, while running for president, is going to hurt him.