So, Vaal pact nerf?

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shaunika90 wrote:

I'd wager EK nova/BV is also dead (which i planned to play in 3.1)

basically any attack based close range build from the right side of the tree is done for.

EK and BV arent attacks

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RF will be 100% untouched by this so yay for build diversity.

hold on, people were just in this thread saying how 20% regen per second (ie, regular leech) doesnt help shit in melee range.

guess what, most RF builds dont even get 20% regen/sec
the contradictions are so hilarious on here

Rip any Occultist or Elementalist leech builds that still want to be relevant. Other then "ED/Blight ES run and don't get hit" builds I don't see anyone playing them if they aren't getting some sick buffs.

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grepman wrote:

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omgMajk wrote:

Facetanking "everything" has nothing to do with it. Obviously on bosses like Atziri and Shaper you should have to move.

and yet - you dont have to really move with instant leech against uber or shaper- well if you dont have enough hp to tank a slam you move during the slam phase- thats it. you tank everything else. well, you cant tank atziri double blast, but builds that go VP dont invest anything in defense so they usually have enough offense to down her before shes able to cast the FB

You are making it sound like any moron with VP can kill Shaper which is totally disingenuous. you still need to know the mechanics of the fight, VP isn't going to let you magically stand in his degen pools or survive his bullet hell phase, it won't even let you survive his slams unless you have enough HP which isn't even a VP issue seeing as anyone can do it. The only thing it can do if you have enough HP and damage is facetank the beam but most people with average gear aren't able to do that anyways.

what ? you can facetank all of his balls, beam and stand in degen as long as you're hitting him and leeching. thats literally any moron with enough damage and instant leech

well yeah you need to know the bullethell phase, but you can just read about it on wiki. you are grasping at straws here.

you can tank the slam with enough hit points

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grepman wrote:

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omgMajk wrote:

"investing in defence", like what? Dodge? Armour? Evasion? Block? You have to pick between doing any viable damage at all or having terrible rng def.

lol at 'any viable damage at all' when most skills nowadays can comfortably clear red maps on a 4-link

you joined in january 2013. do you remember the game in 2013 ? you're too greedy not willing to sacrifice overkill damage for survivability and instead want to use a cheat code that gives you infinite instant sustain

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I ran a max block necro without vaal pact last league, the only thing that saved it was that shield. Aegis Aurora - the non-legacy version was unplayable. Char was immortal but couldnt do obas, shaper or uber atziri.

you do realize that investing in defense shouldnt make you immortal right ?

Don't let the account fool you, I have been around. The use of the word "immortal" might be unfortunate since it wasn't immortal, just close to immortal. But the damage sacrifice was really terrible. Bossing was horrendous even before the double tap nerf.

Investing in like 10k armour and 10k evasion is truly shitty, either you go all in and survive a few hits from a boss - but it takes 10 minutes to kill a guardian - or you go damage and can't take a hit at all.

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shaunika90 wrote:

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xMustard wrote:

man people are so short-sighted.

it isn't always one way or another. theres lots of builds out there in this game, thus there are lots of ways to do lots of different things. this VP change doesn't do a whole lot. it won't completely demolish that many builds. the new location is more devastating than the new effect.

elebuzzsaw raider is 100% dead from this change

I'd wager EK nova/BV is also dead (which i planned to play in 3.1)

basically any attack based close range build from the right side of the tree is done for.



but hey, the actual OP stuff like serker DP and GC mines, or RF will be 100% untouched by this so yay for build diversity.

ele buzzsaw raider is not dead from this change in the slightest, wtf are you smoking?
i'd wager ek nova and bv are not even remotely close to being dead either - but sure,, just keep throwing things out there.

actually as far as i can tell, every close range attack based build just got a massive advantage by being on the right side of the tree, where all the damage avoidance is (loads of great block nodes, evasion, dodge). this is where non instant leech is going to shine the most, when you don't get hit 6 times in a row.
its already strong as it is, even without VP.

my build just got a fairly significant buff - save myself about 8 passives. i did use VP but it wasn't required at all, just a bit of QoL.
actually the way it has been changed, since it wasn't required anyway, maybe i just won't use it at all and i'll gather up more life regen - make uber lab farming quite a bit easier.

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grepman wrote:

what ? you can facetank all of his balls, beam and stand in degen as long as you're hitting him and leeching. thats literally any moron with enough damage and instant leech

well yeah you need to know the bullethell phase, but you can just read about it on wiki. you are grasping at straws here.

you can tank the slam with enough hit points

yeah, dotn forget to mention you need like 7-8k life at least for that to work.

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shaunika90 wrote:

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grepman wrote:

what ? you can facetank all of his balls, beam and stand in degen as long as you're hitting him and leeching. thats literally any moron with enough damage and instant leech

well yeah you need to know the bullethell phase, but you can just read about it on wiki. you are grasping at straws here.

you can tank the slam with enough hit points

yeah, dotn forget to mention you need like 7-8k life at least for that to work.

At least. And that will also gimp your damage significantl, unless you're sitting on 100ex. So...

you can "tank" his slam with enough layers of damage avoidance. since its a physical attack it can be blocked/dodged/evaded

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xMustard wrote:

ele buzzsaw raider is not dead from this change in the slightest, wtf are you smoking?
i'd wager ek nova and bv are not even remotely close to being dead either - but sure,, just keep throwing things out there.

I dont really see how it could handle minotraur chunking you for 60-70% of your hp with regular melee attacks without VP, even with VP if i mess up i get instakilled.

VP enabled tons of fun glasscannon builds

it might have made a couple builds OP, but then why not nerf those couple builds rather than all the fun glasscannon builds, none of which were particularly OP?

sure yeah, we can still make rigth side work, we'll just have to literally cut our damage in half.

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omgMajk wrote:

Don't let the account fool you, I have been around.

I know you have, hence me asking whether or not we have been playing the same game since 2013 and whether or not you remember average speed in 2013

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Investing in like 10k armour and 10k evasion is truly shitty, either you go all in and survive a few hits from a boss - but it takes 10 minutes to kill a guardian - or you go damage and can't take a hit at all.

10k armour and 10k evasion is not really an investment. Im talking about a real investment that requires sacrifice.

sounds to me you want to have cake (not die and feel close to immortal) and eat it too (kill guardians in 10 seconds or less). and I think you should NEVER be able to do that, one or the other.

this is why instant leech, as well as anything that comes close to it (looking at you slayer and leech rate multipliers in general) should rest in piss.