So, Vaal pact nerf?

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1453R wrote:

Nah nah nah nah, see? It's super easy, everybody! We've all gotten it wrong! See, if you can't instantly be back at full life, within a frame or two after taking damage in the first place, then the game is LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE because everybody knows that the game is tuned to deal 96.74% of your health to you every three frames!

Armor is SHIT because you can't stack enough armor to facederp boss slams! It doesn't matter that facederping boss slams is not, and never was, armor's job and that the armor formulas are actually pretty good against mob DPS! You can't use armor to facederp slams or Shaper beams! And remember, mitigation does nothing because the game is specifically programmed to deal 96.74% of whatever your Health happens to be to you every three frames, no matter what sort of mitigation you have, so ONLY instant leech works!

Evasion is SHIT because you can't stack enough Evasion to never get hit at all, and if you ever do get hit you're gonna get one-shotted because Evasion builds NEVER bother stacking some physical mitigation or RNG Dodge-based avoidance under their entropic Evasion value! Besides, if doesn't matter what your evade chance is because the game is specifically programmed to deal 96.74% of whatever your Health happens to be to you every three frames, no matter what your Evasion happens to be, so ONLY instant leech works!

Layered defenses are SHIT because everybody knows that every layer of defense you add, even if it's just a Stibnite flask or a BlasFeeble set-up, removes 500k DPS from your build! Go above three or four layers of defensive mitigation and you go NEGATIVE DPS and start healing enemies instead of killing them! And even then, since the game is specifically programmed to deal 96.74% of whatever your Health happens to be to you every three frames, it doesn't matter what any of your defenses actually are or do because the game will simply break its own rules and modify enemy attacks and stats to do whatever it takes to deal exactly 96.74% of your maximum Health to you every three frames! So ONLY instant leech works!

It's all so simple! All you need to do to understand why the rework of Vaal Pact is going to DESTROY POE FOREVER is realize that the game breaks every single rule of logic, fairness, internal consistency, or common sense you can think of! The only reason we've ever been able to play PoE is because Vaal Picnic bravely fought its way through the twisted, demented basements of GGG's collective development hive mind and forced its way heroically into the game in order to give us all one faint, feeble hope of bringing Light to the eternal low-clearspeed darkness that is Wraeclast! But now that noble, virtuous Keystone has finally faltered...now, the horrible Darkness of having to build intelligently threatens to engulf the game once more...

Why didn't we understand before it was too late?!

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DER_PSYCHOPATH wrote:

You can't get armour and evasion with ES

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Nephalim wrote:

When instant leech was changed to work with only life and ES , acuity and VP were both changed accordingly. There is no way in hell GGG will allow a true source of instant leech in the game if they butcher VP.

Everyone trying to hoard acuity is in for a sour surprise in 3 weeks.

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Immermnemion wrote:

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Langhun wrote:

I am actually glad for VP change however I don't like the new position. Leech as a sustain mechanic seems to me more thematically fit for an assassin archetype with a low defenses and high damage. I don't understand why they decided to place VP near the class which already have so much leech support. Duelist also has easy access to all life flask nodes and the Slayer already provides partial reflect protection so yeah...

Anyway if so many players so desperately needs leech for every build they are playing, maybe the problem is somewhere else.

+1

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Orca_Orcinus wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Game has taken a downward spiral since 2.6 and this is really the final nail in the competitive coffin.

I fear for this game's long-term survivability if they keep nerfing stuff without addressing the issues of mobs that hit too hard and must therefore be one-shot or they will one-shot you.

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Solomon_gLock wrote:

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Orca_Orcinus wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Game has taken a downward spiral since 2.6 and this is really the final nail in the competitive coffin.

I fear for this game's long-term survivability if they keep nerfing stuff without addressing the issues of mobs that hit too hard and must therefore be one-shot or they will one-shot you.

the block once nerfed about 2 years ago(though now it becomes parts of some Ascendancy)

the armor nerfed about 1 year ago(if I'm not mistaken)

the data of survival ability nerfed(ES nerf, kaom heart legacy)

now they focus on VP...

BUT
the data of damage still increasing(both chars and monsters)!!!

this progress makes me feel the smell of D3. high life pool, immunity, dont be touched, kill them before they attack...

I'm truly worried.

p.s If the change of VP is definite, i don't know how to survive of my Wild Strike ELE, I hate these one-size-fits-all 'balances', they are irresponsible.

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Shppy wrote:

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killerkrill wrote:

Have either of you ever read any posts about why defense is such garbage? Armor mitigation is laughably terrible and evasion works until it doesn't. No amount of evasion stacking means anything because eventually you will get hit and you will die. No amount of armor stacking will help because even at 76% all resists and 7k hp you will still get one shot. A large number of builds actively seek out life nodes and I can't think of a life build that doesn't race towards the good ol' life wheel but it's not enough and it will never be enough. Even if you have hp and armor on every piece of armor it is still not enough to prevent getting one shot.

Have you ever done anything *besides* read those posts? Cuz it sure sounds like you're just echoing them with zero personal experience, as those statements of yours are way off.


Armor does a fine job for most content, especially for clearing. It's not amazing versus bosses, because guess what? Bosses are supposed to be a high threat that you pay attention to instead of facetanking.

Evasion works just fine too for most content. "Eventually you will get hit and you will die"? Only if you're not bothering to manually avoid stuff that is *meant* to one-shot you or burst you down, namely telegraphed hits from bosses and the like or running haphazardly into strong packs/rares. The hits that invetiably get through while clearing aren't generally going to oneshot you, though if you act like a colossal jackass and mash your face into swarms of mobs the multitude of hits that get through because you made no effort to avoid anything could take you down.

7k hp isn't enough? Funny, I've only ever made a build that reached that level once (well, it was 5k hp + 6k ES), and yet I've been able to handle pretty much all content just fine with several melee builds that don't even reach 5k hp (or the occasional trapper/miner that barely reaches 3.5k)

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killerkrill wrote:

Wow I never knew. I guess I have to start learning to manually dodge chimera. Also manually dodge those hedgehogs. Also gotta start learning to manually dodge full screen glacial cascades. Can't forget about manually dodging projectiles and those things that shoots a dozen spikes in a cone. All these completely and easily dodge-able attacks and here I am wasting my 10% exp thinking that the evasion on my armor is worth something.