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shaunika90 wrote:
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xMustard wrote:
VP didn't prevent one shot either - so.....no, not every single character in the game is constantly getting one shot.
jesus you people exaggerate so much. yes i've read threads and reasons why armor and evasion are not adequate, problem is they're all wrong. what you just posted is completely wrong and untrue through 98.9% of all content.
yeah, but that's the point.
defenses in general suck dick for a lot of builds, getting just enough of it not to get oneshot by anything, and then outhealing the rest, was basically the only good form of defense. now they wont be able to do that, so they'Ll stack defenses.
really, I still dont understand how VP is the biggest problem when GC miners kill shaper in like 15 C gear.
Because when there is too much of one thing? It's probably broken?
Do people play vaal pact or do they play GC miner?
Kinda obvious which one needs to go first.
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Posted byRPGlitch#6206on Nov 16, 2017, 11:04:04 PM
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killerkrill wrote:
Have either of you ever read any posts about why defense is such garbage? Armor mitigation is laughably terrible and evasion works until it doesn't. No amount of evasion stacking means anything because eventually you will get hit and you will die. No amount of armor stacking will help because even at 76% all resists and 7k hp you will still get one shot. A large number of builds actively seek out life nodes and I can't think of a life build that doesn't race towards the good ol' life wheel but it's not enough and it will never be enough. Even if you have hp and armor on every piece of armor it is still not enough to prevent getting one shot.
Have you ever done anything *besides* read those posts? Cuz it sure sounds like you're just echoing them with zero personal experience, as those statements of yours are way off.
Armor does a fine job for most content, especially for clearing. It's not amazing versus bosses, because guess what? Bosses are supposed to be a high threat that you pay attention to instead of facetanking.
Evasion works just fine too for most content. "Eventually you will get hit and you will die"? Only if you're not bothering to manually avoid stuff that is *meant* to one-shot you or burst you down, namely telegraphed hits from bosses and the like or running haphazardly into strong packs/rares. The hits that invetiably get through while clearing aren't generally going to oneshot you, though if you act like a colossal jackass and mash your face into swarms of mobs the multitude of hits that get through because you made no effort to avoid anything could take you down.
7k hp isn't enough? Funny, I've only ever made a build that reached that level once (well, it was 5k hp + 6k ES), and yet I've been able to handle pretty much all content just fine with several melee builds that don't even reach 5k hp (or the occasional trapper/miner that barely reaches 3.5k)
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Posted byShppy#6163on Nov 16, 2017, 11:07:33 PM
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1453R wrote:
Nah nah nah nah, see? It's super easy, everybody! We've all gotten it wrong! See, if you can't instantly be back at full life, within a frame or two after taking damage in the first place, then the game is LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE because everybody knows that the game is tuned to deal 96.74% of your health to you every three frames!
Armor is SHIT because you can't stack enough armor to facederp boss slams! It doesn't matter that facederping boss slams is not, and never was, armor's job and that the armor formulas are actually pretty good against mob DPS! You can't use armor to facederp slams or Shaper beams! And remember, mitigation does nothing because the game is specifically programmed to deal 96.74% of whatever your Health happens to be to you every three frames, no matter what sort of mitigation you have, so ONLY instant leech works!
Evasion is SHIT because you can't stack enough Evasion to never get hit at all, and if you ever do get hit you're gonna get one-shotted because Evasion builds NEVER bother stacking some physical mitigation or RNG Dodge-based avoidance under their entropic Evasion value! Besides, if doesn't matter what your evade chance is because the game is specifically programmed to deal 96.74% of whatever your Health happens to be to you every three frames, no matter what your Evasion happens to be, so ONLY instant leech works!
Layered defenses are SHIT because everybody knows that every layer of defense you add, even if it's just a Stibnite flask or a BlasFeeble set-up, removes 500k DPS from your build! Go above three or four layers of defensive mitigation and you go NEGATIVE DPS and start healing enemies instead of killing them! And even then, since the game is specifically programmed to deal 96.74% of whatever your Health happens to be to you every three frames, it doesn't matter what any of your defenses actually are or do because the game will simply break its own rules and modify enemy attacks and stats to do whatever it takes to deal exactly 96.74% of your maximum Health to you every three frames! So ONLY instant leech works!
It's all so simple! All you need to do to understand why the rework of Vaal Pact is going to DESTROY POE FOREVER is realize that the game breaks every single rule of logic, fairness, internal consistency, or common sense you can think of! The only reason we've ever been able to play PoE is because Vaal Picnic bravely fought its way through the twisted, demented basements of GGG's collective development hive mind and forced its way heroically into the game in order to give us all one faint, feeble hope of bringing Light to the eternal low-clearspeed darkness that is Wraeclast! But now that noble, virtuous Keystone has finally faltered...now, the horrible Darkness of having to build intelligently threatens to engulf the game once more...
Why didn't we understand before it was too late?!
HAHAHA, your posts have been a pleasure to read.
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Posted bybabe#3066on Nov 16, 2017, 11:26:57 PM
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Langhun wrote:
I am actually glad for VP change however I don't like the new position. Leech as a sustain mechanic seems to me more thematically fit for an assassin archetype with a low defenses and high damage. I don't understand why they decided to place VP near the class which already have so much leech support. Duelist also has easy access to all life flask nodes and the Slayer already provides partial reflect protection so yeah...
Anyway if so many players so desperately needs leech for every build they are playing, maybe the problem is somewhere else.
+1
Here lies a toppled god;
his fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal -
a narrow and a tall one.
- F.H.
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Posted byImmermnemion#3839on Nov 16, 2017, 11:27:56 PM
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ya i also agree
the new position is more devastating than the new effect
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Posted byxMustard#3403on Nov 16, 2017, 11:43:18 PM
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Some people in here:
>doesn't need vaal pact
>has vaal pact on all chars on the account
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Posted byomgMajk#3230on Nov 16, 2017, 11:50:23 PM
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grepman wrote:
what ? you can facetank all of his balls, beam and stand in degen as long as you're hitting him and leeching. thats literally any moron with enough damage and instant leech
well yeah you need to know the bullethell phase, but you can just read about it on wiki. you are grasping at straws here.
you can tank the slam with enough hit points
With ES yes it was easy but you can't do that with this current life meta unless you're geared to the nuts. The average person will get destroyed if they just stand there with 7k life and try to facetank Shaper without moving.
not really
you just have to enough damage and fast attack/cast rate, which is something vaal pact promotes
man, there are videos of berserker with 5k life pool and no flasks at all killing the shaper (not facetanking, but thats with 5K life and NO flasks using old BV)
then theres this WI facetanking everything, see the 'fun' at 3:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsGWVKj-BIA
Im sure life-based WI builds are super expensive...wait, theyre not. the most expensive item there is a kaoms
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Posted bygrepman#2451on Nov 17, 2017, 12:20:48 AM
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omgMajk wrote:
I remember how it was, that doesn't mean that I liked it. I have been behind every nerf this game has thrown at me except the HUGE es nerf. I could've taken that vaal pact didn't work on ES but all the other things was just overkill.
I didnt say you liked it. I said you should remember how it was in 2013
the damage values were too small to use VP in all but the most insane damage dealing skills- basically, self-cast discharge.
and guess what ? the game wasnt impossible to play for attack or spell or melee builds, people played it and got to highest levels and killed the biggest and baddest bosses in the game
once the game got in this runaway truck powercreep mode, people quickly found that infinite sustain in VP is better than any defense that is currently in the game so they just minmax damage and become even more powerful without any investment in any defense
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10k armour and 10k evasion is a significant damage drop
no it isn't.
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The problem isnt that vaal pact is broken
yes, thats the problem
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the problem is that without godly gear or very specific builds - you need vaal pact.
no, you don't 'need it'. you've been conditioned to think you need it.
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Posted bygrepman#2451on Nov 17, 2017, 12:33:49 AM
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ya? and here is a guy who afk tanked shaper for 34 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf_cTCz_Dfs
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Posted byxMustard#3403on Nov 17, 2017, 12:35:02 AM
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xMustard wrote:
Eh, that video is a bit misleading because they use legacy gear.
It's more appropriate to use this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO1-xh83-4A
20,000 EHP RF. Which tanks and kills Shaper with 1 million dps on Harbringer.
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