[3.5] Mjölner Untethered 3.5 UPDATE! Mjölner is back! Uberelder+Shaper done

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Sacr0 wrote:

discharge triggers "on hit", not on attack. for the case of 2.74 times a second you are right, with such an attack speed(unoptimal) it would only trigger "per attack" because the time between each hit would be slightly below 0.2ms meaning every 2. cyclone hit would not work because of the discharge cd. but an attack rate of 5 times per second is not needed. just think about an attack rate of 2.4 times/second resulting in 4.8 hits per second. this would mean that the first as well as the second hit from each cyclone would trigger because the hit would be every 0.208 and not fall into the discharge cd range.

our discussion about attack speed assumes a linear hitrate on cyclone
after doing some testing i cant confirm that it works this way. in fact, even a cyclone with a shitty as of 2.74/s discharge triggers around 4 times/second. i've been wondering why and this is what i've found.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1158669
this explains the cyclone mechanics quiet good in my opinion. Basically this guy says that we dont need any attack speed because we improve our cyclone hitrate via movement speed. after some testing, i tend to confirm that this is true.

the belt is still worth it. it does give us the ability to use 1 extra discharge per second (20% more dps). even if we cant hit the optimal proc rate and are slightly below it, we couldn't do the same with a discharge cd of 250ms (4 discharges per second). we'd also loose some discharges there due to unoptimal trigger times. i can't say if the boots are better for this build than the belt, maybe they are. both are best in slot items if you ask me.

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philophil wrote:

sacroo setup is a good setup for cyclone mjolner don't get me wrong...

but yes u could argue about some optimization since is current number are too close enough n leave no room for mistake when fighting boss. But if ur so worried about cyclone hit rate/att speed just replace ACC gem by inc attack speed. If u invest into this build u won't need that gem so using the faster attack gem would get u a decent cyclone A/S.

But i can tell u this belt is worth it, stop ...... looking at discharge/proc rate being too tight, just like everyone ur forgeting about the great boost it give to the COC setup, this allow for a more optimized charge generation since the COC CD get reduce too.

Im currently playing probably the most optimized cospri's build in this game n i can tell u this belt is worth it no matter what ppl say, they are only afraid of things that are new.