[3.5] Mjölner Untethered 3.5 UPDATE! Mjölner is back! Uberelder+Shaper done

you're welcome!
you definitely can try maligaro's but when i did the math for my char in PoB, repentance was best in slot regarding dmg.

170k vs shaper per discharge is pretty decent. is it with flasks active? i think most of optimizing could be done by getting better jewels (although i dont know your current jewels) i have done quiet a lot of shaper runs recently when i hit lvl 97 and my current shaper dmg is 261k per discharge ( 402k vs normal mobs). once i hit lvl 98 i will make a small update to the PoB link, including 2 tree's (1 for shaper and 1 for mapping). i think with even better gear it's realistic to reach up to 2.5 mil dps/ 1.5 mil shaper dps. i'm not sure if i'm going to invest shittons of currency to get there because the dmg is overkill already. only going to oneshot myself to reflect.
maybe i'm going to play around with rf for some extra dps boost vs shaper, although i dont feel that it is needed at all.

What do you think about using Lycosidae so you don't have to worry about accuracy? Is the crit chance/spell damage better?

it's a good option if you have low accuracy. but the dmg gain from a 50% spelldmg / 100% inc spellcrit shield is really good. so if you have a 6L voll#s and can equip additional accuracy, go for a spell shield. lycosidae is decent for a budget.
you can always check your PoB to see how much dmg you loose when you equip lyco.

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Sacr0 wrote:

it's a good option if you have low accuracy. but the dmg gain from a 50% spelldmg / 100% inc spellcrit shield is really good. so if you have a 6L voll#s and can equip additional accuracy, go for a spell shield. lycosidae is decent for a budget.
you can always check your PoB to see how much dmg you loose when you equip lyco.

PoB only shows average hits for CoC Discharge, not effective DPS with accuracy rolls/whiffs factored. Because accuracy is rolled twice on crits, it's the most important stat for CoC. Also, don't underestimate lycosidae freeing up gem slots for more multiplier gems.

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Icaros wrote:

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Sacr0 wrote:

it's a good option if you have low accuracy. but the dmg gain from a 50% spelldmg / 100% inc spellcrit shield is really good. so if you have a 6L voll#s and can equip additional accuracy, go for a spell shield. lycosidae is decent for a budget.
you can always check your PoB to see how much dmg you loose when you equip lyco.

PoB only shows average hits for CoC Discharge, not effective DPS with accuracy rolls/whiffs factored. Because accuracy is rolled twice on crits, it's the most important stat for CoC. Also, don't underestimate lycosidae freeing up gem slots for more multiplier gems.

this is not a coc discharge build though.
this is a mjölner build that relies on a coc setup to generate charges for discharge socketed in mjölner.

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Sacr0 wrote:

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Icaros wrote:

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Sacr0 wrote:

it's a good option if you have low accuracy. but the dmg gain from a 50% spelldmg / 100% inc spellcrit shield is really good. so if you have a 6L voll#s and can equip additional accuracy, go for a spell shield. lycosidae is decent for a budget.
you can always check your PoB to see how much dmg you loose when you equip lyco.

PoB only shows average hits for CoC Discharge, not effective DPS with accuracy rolls/whiffs factored. Because accuracy is rolled twice on crits, it's the most important stat for CoC. Also, don't underestimate lycosidae freeing up gem slots for more multiplier gems.

this is not a coc discharge build though.
this is a mjölner build that relies on a coc setup to generate charges for discharge socketed in mjölner.

Sure, but the point stands. The build is triggering a skill on hit. It's a requirement to hit with the attack skill for the chain of triggering, generating power charges and repeating to work. PoB only calculates the average damage for that triggered skill, so relying on its numbers for gear choices is only showing part of picture in this instance. When it comes to trigger builds, it's always worth it to try combinations to see how they feel, because the numbers can be very misleading.

Mjolner will never reach insane Crit Chance so this build generate PC trought firestorm that can only proc 2 time per sec so going for the unique shield lyco isn't very worth it. When u can just put ACC gem or get ACC on other gear n still reach 88-90% chance to hit.

Mjolner isn't cospri's doesn't require a crit to proc also u should never sacrife a potential 100% crit+ a 70+ inc dmg gear piece just because u want to be lazy on gearing this is a mistake. Id even go has far has saying using ACC gem is unoptimized because u could add another spell instead to PROC more Power Charge per SEC.

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Sure, but the point stands. The build is triggering a skill on hit. It's a requirement to hit with the attack skill for the chain of triggering, generating power charges and repeating to work. PoB only calculates the average damage for that triggered skill, so relying on its numbers for gear choices is only showing part of picture in this instance. When it comes to trigger builds, it's always worth it to try combinations to see how they feel, because the numbers can be very misleading.

i'm with phil regarding lycosidae.
keep in mind that the coc setup can trigger a maximum of 2.5 times per second(with the belt) and mjölner can trigger up to 5 times per second(no crit needed there-only a hit) so it is not that important to have a 100% hitchance to get the critchance up. with some decent attack speed ( 8-12 hits per second with cyclone) you can make sure you get your maximum amount of triggers without lycosidae fairly easily. lets assume you have 10 hits per second: only 2.5 hits have to crit and only 5 have to hit! chances are good that it happens.

the coc setup doesn't require any more multipliers to socket in because it is not used for dps (and not worth it). so the 6. link has no better option than additional accuracy( besides faster attacks, but it is not required-see first part)
so while you're right that accuracy has some impact on this build, it is not so important that we need to use lycosidae. a spellshield is way better.

phil, as for a 2. spell instead of add acc i'm not sure. i will try it out but it might be possible that 5 coc triggers(=5 crits per second) is hard to achieve without add acc. i really like my current charge generation. almost every discharge hits with 6+5 charges.

OFC use inc ACC but my point was more about if ur talking about near perfect gear u can get enough ACC to not use the gem but thats hard to achieve w/o sacrifice or putting some extra EX on the build.

Tho id agree that another spell could be very tight on the proc rate maybe add PCOC?

Hey great build one of the strongest i have played except one thing, bear trap seems to shut down my cyclone for a few seconds usually resulting in death. Is there anyway around this or do i just avoid mobs with bear traps all together?