Weekly Beta Report Two

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Woose wrote:

Q:What's that bow skill that does chaos damage, but doesn't count as an ailment or poison?
A:Caustic Arrow

I love this skill but the investment to make it work endgame is huge. As Boss life increases, CA falls farther down on the list of end game content builds, and takes it's place on the list of builds that aren't worth the investment or effort to play.

Please GGG, show Caustic Arrow some love.

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Sinceroodio wrote:

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CBEToffOP wrote:

2) Why would you use Brutality for Poison builds? There are no reasoning to it!

So only reason for Brutality will be for BLEED builds!
Gaining extra MORE and losing such as Atziri's Promise and Ming's Heart.


Perfect Agony WTF?
30% from crit multiplier!?
I understand that if you chose Poison build than you don't give a mind to damage from hits, so 25% or 30% less damage from hits doesn't matter!
But do you really think any would invest so many passive point to Crit and Multi to get just 30% of its investments?
ONLY ASSASIN would choose Poison-Crit build BUT ONLY FOR 100% MORE Poison damage From CRITS! , but will not invest in ANY CRIT MULTI nodes which can be bypass!!!

Before verbally lashing out at ppl you should maybe get a calculator, do some theory crafting and some math and even after that you could bring up constructive criticism, not destructive one (that hasn't any foundation to begin with).
As an fyi: i crafted a viperstrike build that could very well do 4.000.000 dps on shaper and 12.000.000 on non boss monsters (not that you would ever need that) with 3 flasks and vaal lightning trap. Sustaining that dmg wouldnt be hard and now looking at the main source of my dmg Perfect Agony made up freakin 70% of my TOTAL dps. Let it sink ... 70% of 12.000.000 / 4.000.000 shaper dps. This nerf is very well justified and the power of the node is being reduced by about 60%. Dont you think picking up crit multi could be still worth it even when the power of this node was reduced by 60% when it originally made up 70% of your total dps? Then we have Deadly Ailments which was too good to be true from the beginning and ppl should have realized it; i was like "is this gem a joke or you for real?" when i saw that 88% more.
Another foreseeable and justified nerf. So far so good but now we come to Brutality. As a prenote on your "why would you use Brutality" question: Poison resulting from a physical hit is scaled by chaos damage AS WELL as physical damage. That being said, you should understand that Brutality is quite a strong source of damage increase on your poison. I think this is a bit going overboard, though. Perfect Agony was way too strong and Deadly Ailments really wasn't in line with other support gems, but nerfing brutality leaves poison builds in an unplayable state imho. All of those nerfes adding up, i deal about 82% less dmg with my previously crafted build.
CBEToffOP you should get your information straight before hammering down on ppl and even then you shouldnt hammer down anybody to begin with.
GGG please reconsider doing this with Brutality.

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Sinceroodio wrote:

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CBEToffOP wrote:

2) Why would you use Brutality for Poison builds? There are no reasoning to it!

So only reason for Brutality will be for BLEED builds!
Gaining extra MORE and losing such as Atziri's Promise and Ming's Heart.


Perfect Agony WTF?
30% from crit multiplier!?
I understand that if you chose Poison build than you don't give a mind to damage from hits, so 25% or 30% less damage from hits doesn't matter!
But do you really think any would invest so many passive point to Crit and Multi to get just 30% of its investments?
ONLY ASSASIN would choose Poison-Crit build BUT ONLY FOR 100% MORE Poison damage From CRITS! , but will not invest in ANY CRIT MULTI nodes which can be bypass!!!

Before verbally lashing out at ppl you should maybe get a calculator, do some theory crafting and some math and even after that you could bring up constructive criticism, not destructive one (that hasn't any foundation to begin with).
As an fyi: i crafted a viperstrike build that could very well do 4.000.000 dps on shaper and 12.000.000 on non boss monsters (not that you would ever need that) with 3 flasks and vaal lightning trap. Sustaining that dmg wouldnt be hard and now looking at the main source of my dmg Perfect Agony made up freakin 70% of my TOTAL dps. Let it sink ... 70% of 12.000.000 / 4.000.000 shaper dps. This nerf is very well justified and the power of the node is being reduced by about 60%. Dont you think picking up crit multi could be still worth it even when the power of this node was reduced by 60% when it originally made up 70% of your total dps? Then we have Deadly Ailments which was too good to be true from the beginning and ppl should have realized it; i was like "is this gem a joke or you for real?" when i saw that 88% more.
Another foreseeable and justified nerf. So far so good but now we come to Brutality. As a prenote on your "why would you use Brutality" question: Poison resulting from a physical hit is scaled by chaos damage AS WELL as physical damage. That being said, you should understand that Brutality is quite a strong source of damage increase on your poison. I think this is a bit going overboard, though. Perfect Agony was way too strong and Deadly Ailments really wasn't in line with other support gems, but nerfing brutality leaves poison builds in an unplayable state imho. All of those nerfes adding up, i deal about 82% less dmg with my previously crafted build.
CBEToffOP you should get your information straight before hammering down on ppl and even then you shouldnt hammer down anybody to begin with.
GGG please reconsider doing this with Brutality.

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Vakyoom wrote:

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Sinceroodio wrote:

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CBEToffOP wrote:

2) Why would you use Brutality for Poison builds? There are no reasoning to it!

So only reason for Brutality will be for BLEED builds!
Gaining extra MORE and losing such as Atziri's Promise and Ming's Heart.


Perfect Agony WTF?
30% from crit multiplier!?
I understand that if you chose Poison build than you don't give a mind to damage from hits, so 25% or 30% less damage from hits doesn't matter!
But do you really think any would invest so many passive point to Crit and Multi to get just 30% of its investments?
ONLY ASSASIN would choose Poison-Crit build BUT ONLY FOR 100% MORE Poison damage From CRITS! , but will not invest in ANY CRIT MULTI nodes which can be bypass!!!

Before verbally lashing out at ppl you should maybe get a calculator, do some theory crafting and some math and even after that you could bring up constructive criticism, not destructive one (that hasn't any foundation to begin with).
As an fyi: i crafted a viperstrike build that could very well do 4.000.000 dps on shaper and 12.000.000 on non boss monsters (not that you would ever need that) with 3 flasks and vaal lightning trap. Sustaining that dmg wouldnt be hard and now looking at the main source of my dmg Perfect Agony made up freakin 70% of my TOTAL dps. Let it sink ... 70% of 12.000.000 / 4.000.000 shaper dps. This nerf is very well justified and the power of the node is being reduced by about 60%. Dont you think picking up crit multi could be still worth it even when the power of this node was reduced by 60% when it originally made up 70% of your total dps? Then we have Deadly Ailments which was too good to be true from the beginning and ppl should have realized it; i was like "is this gem a joke or you for real?" when i saw that 88% more.
Another foreseeable and justified nerf. So far so good but now we come to Brutality. As a prenote on your "why would you use Brutality" question: Poison resulting from a physical hit is scaled by chaos damage AS WELL as physical damage. That being said, you should understand that Brutality is quite a strong source of damage increase on your poison. I think this is a bit going overboard, though. Perfect Agony was way too strong and Deadly Ailments really wasn't in line with other support gems, but nerfing brutality leaves poison builds in an unplayable state imho. All of those nerfes adding up, i deal about 82% less dmg with my previously crafted build.
CBEToffOP you should get your information straight before hammering down on ppl and even then you shouldnt hammer down anybody to begin with.
GGG please reconsider doing this with Brutality.

I read this post a couple times to make sure you were wrong and you were. He didn't 'lash out' at anyone in his entire post. If you think bold and underlined words are lashing out then sucks to be you... That's emphasis on important parts of the discussion and was used in a useful fashion.

As for the rest of your post... You're another one of those guys with a magical 4m dps tooltip that doesn't use assassin right? Or is it that viper strike build with 30 sec ramp up time like I've seen floating around?

I'd like to see anybody link some crazy non-assassin DoT build that's doing 1m dps without a huge time frame or ramp up. I'm serious. Post them here so I can stick them in pob myself and see that shit and we'll tell the whole world. I'll take my beating 100% if there are more than a couple builds hitting numbers that high that don't use decay enabling more modifier skills or assassins Dot modifier.

But it has to be real and it has to be verifiable by anybody else that sees it.

At this point if feels like ggg has been messing around in pob and forgot to turn off EE or left it on normal mob damage and thought they were really looking at shaper dmg... Idk. Trying to make sense of changes this drastic at this stage in the beta is not working for me. So, no sarcasm at all here, somebody ACTUALLY bring a build that does extreme dps without being assassin OR ''more decay shenanigans" and we can all feel better.

But for now it's just people claiming these high numbers when the people who theory all the time couldn't pull similar numbers out of The Count's ass. Somebody is doing something wrong and it has to get sorted out before this gets too much farther.

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neostars wrote:

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Oxygene_PoE wrote:

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GoatEatingToilet wrote:

The DoT changes are very disheartening. Done with beta for now, not interested in testing when it was a struggle just to get a non-ED poison/chaos DoT build to feel somewhat decent. Now I think that is gone with both the gem nerfs and the Perfect Agony keystone nerf...

Might return once 3.0 is released and things are "balanced" for a few months before being jerked around again.

I know I sound more and more negative with every new reply I post, but the game is losing a lot of fun with every release and patch, so it seems. These first waves of beta changes were fun to play with and, yes, some where a little over the top and I expected them to be scaled back, but there is a big difference between scaling something back and outright stomping on it. For "balance" changes, I feel that GGG has been doing the latter for far too long now and the game just isn't as fun anymore.

Perhaps, if 3.0 still feels the same after release, it will be time to say goodbye to PoE.

FFS it beta, if you think shit not going to change than your an idiot.
If your build now suCKS, play another build, there 100s of build you can successfully play in POE.

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ergoduck wrote:

I understand the need to nerf DoTs but I think the values might be a bit low now. The ramp-up time is already nasty on some builds.

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Torin wrote:

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Vakyoom wrote:

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Sinceroodio wrote:

Before verbally lashing out at ppl you should maybe get a calculator, do some theory crafting and some math and even after that you could bring up constructive criticism, not destructive one (that hasn't any foundation to begin with).
As an fyi: i crafted a viperstrike build that could very well do 4.000.000 dps on shaper and 12.000.000 on non boss monsters (not that you would ever need that) with 3 flasks and vaal lightning trap. Sustaining that dmg wouldnt be hard and now looking at the main source of my dmg Perfect Agony made up freakin 70% of my TOTAL dps. Let it sink ... 70% of 12.000.000 / 4.000.000 shaper dps. This nerf is very well justified and the power of the node is being reduced by about 60%. Dont you think picking up crit multi could be still worth it even when the power of this node was reduced by 60% when it originally made up 70% of your total dps? Then we have Deadly Ailments which was too good to be true from the beginning and ppl should have realized it; i was like "is this gem a joke or you for real?" when i saw that 88% more.
Another foreseeable and justified nerf. So far so good but now we come to Brutality. As a prenote on your "why would you use Brutality" question: Poison resulting from a physical hit is scaled by chaos damage AS WELL as physical damage. That being said, you should understand that Brutality is quite a strong source of damage increase on your poison. I think this is a bit going overboard, though. Perfect Agony was way too strong and Deadly Ailments really wasn't in line with other support gems, but nerfing brutality leaves poison builds in an unplayable state imho. All of those nerfes adding up, i deal about 82% less dmg with my previously crafted build.
CBEToffOP you should get your information straight before hammering down on ppl and even then you shouldnt hammer down anybody to begin with.
GGG please reconsider doing this with Brutality.

I read this post a couple times to make sure you were wrong and you were. He didn't 'lash out' at anyone in his entire post. If you think bold and underlined words are lashing out then sucks to be you... That's emphasis on important parts of the discussion and was used in a useful fashion.

As for the rest of your post... You're another one of those guys with a magical 4m dps tooltip that doesn't use assassin right? Or is it that viper strike build with 30 sec ramp up time like I've seen floating around?

I'd like to see anybody link some crazy non-assassin DoT build that's doing 1m dps without a huge time frame or ramp up. I'm serious. Post them here so I can stick them in pob myself and see that shit and we'll tell the whole world. I'll take my beating 100% if there are more than a couple builds hitting numbers that high that don't use decay enabling more modifier skills or assassins Dot modifier.

But it has to be real and it has to be verifiable by anybody else that sees it.

At this point if feels like ggg has been messing around in pob and forgot to turn off EE or left it on normal mob damage and thought they were really looking at shaper dmg... Idk. Trying to make sense of changes this drastic at this stage in the beta is not working for me. So, no sarcasm at all here, somebody ACTUALLY bring a build that does extreme dps without being assassin OR ''more decay shenanigans" and we can all feel better.

But for now it's just people claiming these high numbers when the people who theory all the time couldn't pull similar numbers out of The Count's ass. Somebody is doing something wrong and it has to get sorted out before this gets too much farther.

Here you go: https://pastebin.com/TRSNaA5S

This is with EE and Vaal LT active on your target. THey are already nerfting this one in the patch but not nearly as much as poison and decay versions.

I know that by pasting this GGG will probably now nerf it even more :D