[3.0] WanderFinder Under 1ex Guardians/Shaper no problem.

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Adambjjoz wrote:

Beta changes were just made. They were fairly brutal.

The dev's didn't release details of what was changed, so changes noticed so far just after 30min of trying to figure things out indicate: Alchemist node nerfed, Dying Sun flask no longer gives extra projectile, Basalt Flask for phys damage mitigation was nerfed, Diamond flask is only 1 use per charge (nered hard), Atziri's flask nerfed, Wise Oak completely nerfed, Vinktar flask nerfed, The entire Assassin ascendancy nerfed to beyond useless, DOT damage nerfed. More to come throughout the day I guess, no idea yet how bad this will affect this build in the end, heading into 3.0

You can still get a third proj from using conq potency (+8% flask effect)

Seems like the latest beta patch really nerfed this build to be useless :(

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Oilure wrote:

Seems like the latest beta patch really nerfed this build to be useless :(

It's even worse than expected.

Cold & Lightning damage has been nerfed across the board, along with chill and shock effects, meaning we'll need an additional skill support gem to be used in a slot to get them back to the power they used to be.

Not only that, Frenzy and Power charges have been nerfed by almost half their effect/bonus & they don't boost all damage any more, just attack damage from skill gem's.

Basically the Pathfinder & Assassin ascendancy's have been completely and utterly gutted. Anything based around DOT, poison or stacking damage has also been completely destroyed. Builds using combined Cold & Lightning damage/skills have also been completely smoked.

Every single last Trap build in the entire game also just got nerfed to the floor with the Power/Frenzy charges. It's literally left them unable to push past about T3 maps now. Then there's also the Val Lightning or any Vaal skill that uses lightning now being completely useless against bosses or anything with decent life numbers.

Basically TL/DR, the effective changes made across the board today (just what we've found so far) have left any build using shock, lightning, traps, DOT, or poison good vs white trash enemies and so bad vs anything stronger, the damage is basically useless. Even on Tier 1 and 2 maps. I have no clue why they made ANY of the changes they way they did, because it is the exact opposite of how people use them, or when they need to be used. Nothing outside of Poison damage that got changed even had anything to do with builds that were even remotely considered top-tier builds, either. GGG just trashed 100's of viable builds and did NOTHING about all the best buils being based around Crit Stacking. Not only that, they removed Crit nodes from the right side of the tree, where they were specifically put because Scion/Ranger/etc... builds basically don't have any inherent in-built Crit in their uniques, skills or ascendancy's. Good grief.

My thoughts about the changes:

flasks:
atziri - ~1/5 less effective: 5% less ele to chaos dmg
basalt flask - ~1/4 less effective: 5% less physical dmg reduction
quicksilver flask - changes reverted
alchemist node - 2% less duration, 4% less effect of flasks
vinktar(not required anyways)- still broken, they didn't change the op leech

charges:
2/5 less crit per power charge: 50% -> 30% chance
less dmg(how much?) per frenzy charge:
4% more damage with Attack skills (as opposed to 4% more Damage)


status ailments:
the shock changes will lower the dmg against bosses a lot: 40%+ ?

Imo the flask changes aren't that big, but the power charge and shock changes hurt. On the other hand its still a build which can deal with good items 10x as much dmg as with budged items. Not sure if i still play it, waiting for Aces opinion.

Playing as Pathfinder is now worthless. Raider is the best option. 100000-150000+ DPS as Rider after flask nerfs.

in spite of flask nerfs...Do you guys think its worth looking at the changed icebite/innervate gems for the added damage + innervate buff effect?

Also correct me if im wrong....does the frenzy change not really matter for us anyway?
Barrage/KB are attacks as seen in the skill gem tags or am i missing some part of the calculation?

if we still include the alchemist wheel + the 4x 5% flask effect nodes from pathfinder we're at 46% effect...we'd need 4% to still get the +1proj from dying sun..Conqueror's Potency still gives +8% according to cb.poedb

Seems like GGG MAY be ready to rollback the changes to frenzy charges and power charges if enough people continue to complain.

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Chris wrote:

We recently made these charge changes in the beta, and received an immediate negative reaction from a vocal portion of the community. While we firmly stand behind the intention of this change, it's very clear that the community not only misunderstood a lot of the consequences, but also generally didn't like the direction of the change.

We make this game for you guys, so if you don't want the change, we aren't going to force it in purely to solve long-term problems. The short-term and build continuity do matter as well. We hope to get feedback from your playtesting in the next few days of the beta, so that we can make a decision this week about whether it remains in this form, is reverted, or is made in another form.

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DrHarvey12 wrote:

Seems like GGG MAY be ready to rollback the changes to frenzy charges and power charges if enough people continue to complain.

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Chris wrote:

We recently made these charge changes in the beta, and received an immediate negative reaction from a vocal portion of the community. While we firmly stand behind the intention of this change, it's very clear that the community not only misunderstood a lot of the consequences, but also generally didn't like the direction of the change.

We make this game for you guys, so if you don't want the change, we aren't going to force it in purely to solve long-term problems. The short-term and build continuity do matter as well. We hope to get feedback from your playtesting in the next few days of the beta, so that we can make a decision this week about whether it remains in this form, is reverted, or is made in another form.

Their just trying to calm the garbage fire they created in an attempt to salvage their 3.0 mtx sales. I have little faith in their vision at this point but we can all pray they revert these awful charge changes.

I don't think that Alchemist rly affect Pathfinder.
We got now 46% flask effect and then isn't it rounded up to 50%?
I was checking in PoB and Dying Sun still gives me 3 proj. So still it's like the bigges dmg upgrade.

Other flask changes shouldn't hurt that much, however if charges gonna stay in the current form it might hurt us.

good i gave this build a try during turmoil, that was fun.

i's say it gonna just be much less budget to be competitive considering 2x boss hp