[R.I.P.] life Mjolner done right by Rico - Juggernaut version - R.I.P. thx to "balancing" policy

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Jkurs wrote:

Spoiler

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RicoKGB wrote:

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Jkurs wrote:

hey Rico!

Any idea whats better to do? disadvantages of going jugg vs hiero? I'm trying to budget for the build but i also dont want to roll a jugg if hiero is just better. I looked at the PoB for the hiero you posted and i see a lot of nice QoL like leech with arcane surge. Is it better to go hiero only once you have indigon?

Hey, Hiero is currently under testing&optimizing. So far I can tell that Hiero regarding up to T15 maps is very tanky and in terms of pure DPS it provides much higher numbers than Jugg. In fact if math is correct it goes double the DPS of a Jugg, expect around 700k sustainable Shaper DPS. However to make sure I must yet do some DPS checks vs those big boys like T16 Guardians and Shaper. Than I can elobarate on which build is better.

Here is a quick teaser - T14 Colosseum double boss with dangerous mods done on Hiero:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ianQte972XM


And this is some teaser on what to expect in terms of DPS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79brKuDqBGE


If you take a closer look Discharge tootlip goes to 140k+ after Indigon is stacked up. This is with single support gem and Arc socketed, with just Atziri flask up and without RF and EE factored in. Arc goes 30k+ tooltip which means over 65k Arc dpu (as tooltip doest account for 120% more Arc property) which together translates to 200k+ damage per trigger. With 4 triggers/s thats allready 800k DPS, still without RF, EE and res penetration factored in. With EE and penetration factored in we are talking 920k Shaper DPS when fully stacked.

Indigon stacks and ramp up damage: click

Most current pastebin will be provided later as build is not optimized yet.


Now that said I dont think I will be doing a separate guide for Hiero as the core idea of Indigon Mjolner Discharge abuse isnt mine. All credits goes to Phil aka salty with his Low Life and Life MoM Pathinder versions. It is more likely that when Im done with optimization I will provide info that will be inlcuded in Phil's guide for Indigon Mjolner. It was about time for someone to design a better mjolner build to continue this wonderfull legacy with some improvements and fresh ideas. That said Jugg is still up and kicking.


BTW Hierophant Indigon Mjolner = Him ;)

So besides not really knowing, do you think that hierophant would be comparable to jugg WITHOUT indigon? I can see in PoB that like 80% of the dmg is mostly from indigon. The item is absurdly expensive this league, but if you tell me that its at least STILL somewhat better than going jugg WITHOUT indigon, it would alter my decision in rolling a jugg lol. I guess im just asking if Hierophant is the EXPENSIVE method and jugg is the "budget" version.

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Nisseonbeer wrote:

hej rico and others.
tnx for all the teocraft.
I been following ur templar version with LS and MS but cyclone feels faster for me, does it work fine ur crit inq. to go cyclone too, or do i miss something?(gues MS is better for facetanking, more life gain) but apart from that?

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RicoKGB wrote:

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Nisseonbeer wrote:

hej rico and others.
tnx for all the teocraft.
I been following ur templar version with LS and MS but cyclone feels faster for me, does it work fine ur crit inq. to go cyclone too, or do i miss something?(gues MS is better for facetanking, more life gain) but apart from that?

You can go templar cyclone yes. But if u want cyclone than Jugg is better option for that.

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shrunn57 wrote:

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How about using Concentrated Effect support? It will make discharge aoe smaller so it will be easier to see what is going on.
I got used to fight bosses with it. At some point i started noticing all the telegraphs of bosses under the glorious discharge explosions. But before that Concentrated Effect support helped a lot.

I just gave that a try, and honestly I can't tell the difference.

I still wonder if "flare" effect is somehow better.

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RicoKGB wrote:

- gearing is done (I was testing different setups)
- tree mostly done
- attack speed / accuracy / mana pool / skill cost balance almost done (minor tweaking)
- DPS can be confirmed to be much higher than Juggs, I would provide exact numbers after T16 Minotaur facetank test
- HP sustain under heavy load is on pair with Jugg (something I didnt expect)
- now checking survivability vs various in-game situations and adjusting accordingly, for example this T13 double Core Malachai showed me that physical dmg mitigation (or EHP) is still to low (however double Core Malachai hits really hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cktBNquldGI