Donald Trump and US politics

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But why have a different set of rules for people coming in and those already in? Shouldn't existing AND potential citizens all be held to the same standard?

Why have borders? Why have laws? Why should people have to pay for anything?

There was a time before nations, laws and jobs. If you lock the doors to your home, you know the answer to all of these questions. Society doesn't work as a free for all.

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Here's a scenario:

An existing American citizen. Age 25. Chronically, but not gravely/terminally ill. Draws from the welfare and medical systems to survive. Likely will live to 75 yrs+. Will never in that time be anything other than a financial liability to the country. 130 points of wasted IQ power, only using it enough to be certain of a life of slothdom.

A potential immigrant. Age 25. In perfect to exceptional health. Wants to work for anyone who'd take him for lower than average wage. Will live 75 yrs and will contribute to the economy, faithfully and happily. Poor guy only has a 75 IQ. Clean criminal record.

Which is more qualified to be a citizen?

To be or not to be is not the question. One already is.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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bwam wrote:

You don't see the value of aiding a human life, but only of advancing our own well-being? This country is made up of many men who think and feel like you do. Thankfully, it is also made up of men who aren't selfish, and who see the value in human life beyond self-benefit.

There's no problem with you feeling that way. However, there is also no problem with these "many men" like me feeling how we do. That's why there should be charities for people like you to voluntarily give to help people abroad who have problems, instead of a gun pointed to people like me forcing us to comply.

You might think throwing money at a problem will solve it, but that's ignorant. Money isn't the solution to everything.

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They were probably busy dealing with the catastrophe

Yes, dealing with everything going on would cause a lot of stress and I'm sure there was an impetus to make a quick decision.

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and took it on good faith that the contractor wouldn't be a scam operation.

You never do this in business, and you certainly don't do it as the head of a government agency. The more money involved the more likely people are out to scam you.

Think of it this way. How many dozens of times have you faced a personal lawsuit? How many times does your typical celebrity or wealthy person face a lawsuit? It is often enough that there's a saying, you haven't really made it until you have been sued. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-co-founders-of-game-developer-arkadium-learned-that-youre-not-truly-successful-until-somebody-sues-you-2012-3

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You know, they thought there'd be no way some arseholes would take advantage of their situation. It's all moot now. That corrupt company and contract has been terminated.

For 215 million plus (The amount FEMA would cover)there are people who would gladly commit just about any sort of crime. Hopefully PR works with FEMA to vet their next contract.

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DalaiLama wrote:

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But why have a different set of rules for people coming in and those already in? Shouldn't existing AND potential citizens all be held to the same standard?

Why have borders? Why have laws? Why should people have to pay for anything?

There was a time before nations, laws and jobs. If you lock the doors to your home, you know the answer to all of these questions. Society doesn't work as a free for all.

So, in your opinion it's okay for it to be a free for all for existing criminal, low IQ citizens?

Enforcing laws is not a free for all. The criminals should be in jail. People should be encouraged to work. Less penalties from our welfare system for those trying to move back into the workforce would help. The 'safety net' aspect of our government has turned into a feeding trough of entitlements for many people. It needs reform as well. That doesn't mean cutting all citizens off. The balance between how much we would like to help those in need and how much we are able to help those in need is where the questions arise.

Feel free to leave your door unlocked because the people outside have the same rights to live in your home as you do. Feel free to leave your wallet in the street, because the people who didn't work for that money have the same right to spend it as you do.

Feel free to try and pour ten gallons into an 8 ounce cup at once without spilling anything.

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Victim blaming.

The American tax payers are the 'victims' in this 'bad' contract, and I didn't blame them. The PR elected officials certainly aren't the victims. How many decades have they been destroying their people?

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鬼殺し wrote:

Or, you know. Just have a laugh at the old rich fuck not knowing what 'cyber' means to *anyone* who was using the Internet in the 90s or naughties.

I'm glad you enjoyed a sensible chuckle. Trump was talking about a very real threat that is getting worse.