Donald Trump and US politics

Nothing's free. Someone always has to pay for it.
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Xavderion wrote:
Nothing's free. Someone always has to pay for it.


I come from France ATM living in Slovenia. Both country have "free" medical and schools.

Schools are controversial since you don t pay much but still do pay some. Something like 3000 euro for university cursus over time and before that you have to loan your school books, like 300 euro/year they give you back if the book in good shape.

Of course lot of time they give you broken books and bullshit you molested them so you have to give them free 50 euro.

Medical in france you need to advance the money at general doctor like 10-30 euro the visit then they give you all back. In hospital you pay for beds and shit like TV, so maybe 100 euro/week for beds rest is free.

you wait about 1 month to find specialist in france and doctor visit is asap.

Slovenia, medicine is all free from start however u have to wait 1-2 days for doctors to find places and finding a specialist take about 6 monthes if no emergency.

Dentist is also free in both cases but in slovenia you will wait 6 monthes -1 years for a dentist lol.

Who pays? Taxes do it. About half your salary is taken at the source to pay all the taxes. France for 1500 euro min salary you get about 800 euro in end of month.

Slovenia? No minimum salary.

I am paid 350 euro per monthes as nurse workign with elderly people. End of month I have about 200 euro after taxes.

Wife is teacher and paid about 1200 euro/month and in end after taxes she have 600 euro.

My wife is working about 42 hours not counting preparing meetings and hours home correcting copies.


So yea shit like education and medicine are free but You work your ass off and see half of everything in the state pocket. Good when you are ill but crappy when you are not.

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I do not have enough faith in our status quo to believe any proposal would be effective. The Democrats are incapable of integrity, and the Republicans are too busy pretending to not be Democrats / discovering themselves among the ones who aren’t. Honestly, I’d love to see both conventions fail and the Libertarian party develop a stronger platform. Ironically, out of the two I’d say the DNC can stay—we’d still need some black hats to remain virtuous against.
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鬼殺し wrote:
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JNF wrote:

Sorry, I'm not a brain-washed Bernie lover. Free college! Free medical! Free....everything! Snowflakes and unicorns!



And I rest my case regarding the 'oh well' crowd. Because some countries in Europe do have free college and free medical. It's not a myth. They pay for it in other ways, but to equate it to 'snowflakes and unicorns' shows you have a very small worldview. You might want to do something about that.

It's okay to dream, you know. That's where change starts.


It is more realistic to amass wealth for yourself than advocating free college and universal healthcare for all. It isn't free per se, it is pooling of your money to pay for certain stuff. Introducing SHARING, an new and innovative concept. Only works when people don't mind sharing. Something tell me they do mind.
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鬼殺し wrote:
And yet again, as I said, other countries have done it. Of course, 'sharing' means 'taxes' but that's part of where America has gone astray, bigtime. Personal wealth trumps social responsibility every single time. Human nature. But the taxation system over there hasn't kept up with this at all, which has lead to a wealth disparity I find incomprehensibly unbalanced. And then there's Trump, trying to give big corporations and the wealthy tax cuts. Like, really. Because trickle down somehow works when we've already established that personal wealth trumps social responsibility and that includes to one's own workers and one's own local economy i.e. trickle down doesn't fucking work.

And it's just like we saw in that selfish Old Texan Fucks video I posted. As long as they're taken care of, they're happy. Similarly, why should they pay more taxes for someone else's well-being? That's...SOCIALIST.

And fuck this whole 'someone has to pay; nothing is free' crap I'm seeing as though that somehow refutes what I've said. You don't get to say that to ME here, on Path of Exile's forum. Hell, most of you are supporters yourselves, so you know fucking fully well that nothing is free but it can be made and maintained as 'free' in the immediate, voluntary sense. That is basically what we have here in Australia. Free healthcare, heavily subsidised dental. mental and optical -- but also options for private healthcare for more advanced things like having children, sports physio, etc. How someone who has played and supported PoE can't grasp this is beyond me. Maybe it's too hard to make that mental leap. A pity.


We don't have free healthcare but rather highly subsidised and heavily regulated. That outrage isn't warrant. There are many places in the world where you don't get healthcare if you can't afford it. It isn't unique, just less acceptable for a rich country to do so. We can compare healthcare between America and Zimbabwe. How many people died due to lack of healthcare? Where is the outrage for Zimbabwe?
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鬼殺し wrote:
And yet again, as I said, other countries have done it. Of course, 'sharing' means 'taxes' but that's part of where America has gone astray, bigtime. Personal wealth trumps social responsibility every single time. Human nature. But the taxation system over there hasn't kept up with this at all, which has lead to a wealth disparity I find incomprehensibly unbalanced. And then there's Trump, trying to give big corporations and the wealthy tax cuts. Like, really. Because trickle down somehow works when we've already established that personal wealth trumps social responsibility and that includes to one's own workers and one's own local economy i.e. trickle down doesn't fucking work.

And it's just like we saw in that selfish Old Texan Fucks video I posted. As long as they're taken care of, they're happy. Similarly, why should they pay more taxes for someone else's well-being? That's...SOCIALIST.

And fuck this whole 'someone has to pay; nothing is free' crap I'm seeing as though that somehow refutes what I've said. You don't get to say that to ME here, on Path of Exile's forum. Hell, most of you are supporters yourselves, so you know fucking fully well that nothing is free but it can be made and maintained as 'free' in the immediate, voluntary sense. That is basically what we have here in Australia. Free healthcare, heavily subsidised dental, mental and optical -- but also options for private healthcare for more advanced things like having children, sports physio, etc. How someone who has played and supported PoE can't grasp this is beyond me. Maybe it's too hard to make that mental leap. A pity.

Bottom line is we do pay some ferocious taxes here but we also can get in to see a GP on the day of booking and most of the time it's either free or very cheap. If we get into an accident, we don't have to worry about being in medical debt for the rest of our lives. We pay close to triple what you pay for petrol, close to *six times as much* for tobacco and probably double for alcohol. Our income tax is pretty savage, and there is a yearly Medicare Levy that's 2% of your taxable income, with lower earners and pensioners being exempt. There is also a surcharge that encourages wealthier individuals to get private cover -- as in, if you're wealthy enough and don't get private, you get taxed even more. Oh, and if you smoke, expect to pay more for life insurance. Significantly more.

It generally works. But good luck passing any of that in the US where the insurance companies have a complete chokehold on the game. And I imagine there'd be a riot if a pack of smokes over there suddenly cost 30 bucks.


Maybe In Australia you people really like your politicians and trust them, but in the USA the vast majority of politicians are some combination of stupid, corrupt, lazy,ect

Out of 535 members of congress, each citizen only gets to vote for 3 of them, so even if you like your 3 congress politicians, that does not mean much when the rest are are some combination of stupid, corrupt, lazy,ect

The idea of USA politicians controlling healthcare is terrifying. I would rather put my dog in charge of my healthcare.

If you people in Australia have politicians you trust with your healthcare (or anything), then consider yourselves lucky.
Small company from Trump Interior chief's hometown wins massive contract to restore Puerto Rico's power

What a disgustingly corrupt administration. Every damn one of them's a cancer on America.

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A small Montana company located in Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke's hometown has signed a $300 million contract to help get the power back on in Puerto Rico, The Washington Post reported.

Whitefish Energy had only two full-time employees on the day Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, according to the Post.
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鬼殺し wrote:
And fuck this whole 'someone has to pay; nothing is free' crap I'm seeing as though that somehow refutes what I've said. You don't get to say that to ME here, on Path of Exile's forum. Hell, most of you are supporters yourselves, so you know fucking fully well that nothing is free but it can be made and maintained as 'free' in the immediate, voluntary sense. That is basically what we have here in Australia. Free healthcare, heavily subsidised dental, mental and optical -- but also options for private healthcare for more advanced things like having children, sports physio, etc. How someone who has played and supported PoE can't grasp this is beyond me. Maybe it's too hard to make that mental leap. A pity.

The big, and I mean big, difference is that nobody forced me to pay for my supporter packs.

I still believe in some of the stuff I heard in church when I was little, like bettering those around you; however, I cannot support a socialized health care initiative because it wouldnt be health care. Doesn’t matter what that initiative is, if it happened today, I’d bet money that it would be mismanaged and ineffective.

Our government can’t even balance a budget. I have a fundamental mistrust of anybody proposing how to spend my money, when they can’t even manage the funds they have. It’s nothing to do with empowering myself and fuck everybody else, and it’s everything to do with the sheer irresponsibility of those responsible. I cannot in good faith contribute to that system until it becomes accountable, otherwise all we’re doing is throwing money (our own well-being) into a hole and feeling good about it because we “did something.”

I realize I’m speaking matter-of-factly about things that have not yet happened, but you spoke of our biases, and I am telling you what (I think) those biases actually are.
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Kamchatka wrote:
The idea of USA politicians controlling healthcare is terrifying. I would rather put my dog in charge of my healthcare.



I don't even know your dog but I would rather him/her be in charge of hc than any American politician.

They are massively stupid. And the corruption? OMIGOD. It is so bad! And all the while the dummies speak of rep or dem but they are all corrupt. Two party system does that.
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No secret that there has been way too much power invested in the executive branch for some time. I've heard FDR, LBJ, Nixon for when it started but we could argue for awhile about it and it doesn't matter because it is there now.

Someone needs to curb it. But people have been saying this for years yet here we are.

I had a professor (actually was in Russia) that said it would keep getting worse and worse and would never stop because no one wants to give up power and it might stop perhaps after year and years of endless war someone would do something.

Well, no. Turns out Americans like spending all their tax dollars on endless wars and interventions. They don't like it they love it. Then they bitch and moan about how the infrastructure is falling apart, the deficit is out of hand, etc. But they got a taste for it now.

Now they gotta have their wars. In short, Prof was dead wrong.
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