[2.6] LL Ele Wander Raider ~ Insane clear speed/Shaper/Guardians - 225k Barrage tooltip

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Nephalim wrote:

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InAshesTheyShallReap wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Something else impressive about CoE is that a spell damage wand with good rolls like the one below actually is only slightly weaker than a mirrored 370 pds wand. The biggest issue with wanders outside of single target is of course wands are insanely stupid to roll and finding a high end phys crit wand is like finding a mirror.

it's all about how you scale damage

if you scale it on elemental auras, elemental attack damage gems, then a mirrored physical wand is useless

if you scale the physical damage of the wand with the passives tree that adds elmental damage based on phys dmg, then spell dmg wand and coe are much weaker than using a circlet.

i remember i had 160k kinetic dps on a 4link with 190iiq 450iir with just charges and onslaught taken from the node on the bottom of the tree, but with 8-9*5ex jewels

There is no such thing as a true physical wand build outside of added chaos poison builds. You take generic damage nodes ( spell,projectile, general wand damage) and even ele added from phys nodes but ultimately most of your damage will still be coming from WED and wrath because PPAD is a horrible gem outside because wands have such low pds.

Also, a mirrored phys wand is going to benefit from taste of hate which does little for ele wand or spell damage wands and is a huge part of your defensive suite.

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I had better result in therm of dmg vs a mirrored FOE BITE phys wand (yes, i did mod the tree for phys wand to be fair). But the difference wasn't that big about 10% more dmg with the ele setup at max depending on tree n jewel, but in therm of investment going for ELE wand+ COE is so much cheaper then phys. Also phys wander won't have around 85% of there dmg has lightning so the vinktar pen is less effective, with phys setup uptimized its about 70% lightning dmg the rest is phys/cold/fire (using phys to lightning gem).

I am fairly sure a coe + phys wand will outperform a spell wand + coe build at the highest level if you ignore cost but i would need to run the figures on path of building.

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Kruciall wrote:

I had fun crafting gear for this build but found that it was too reliant on pots for survival, which is the opposite of the Slayer I am more familiar playing. May till puch 100 with it, but won't be doing any other content.

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philophil wrote:

ive tryied both setup phys n ele wand and im still 100% sure that spell+ele is the best way to go for the dmg output.

ill explain the why it is this way. The only time phys wander can outperform spell+ele in therm of dmg is if ur using vinktar+atziri+dying sun+taste of hate+quicksilver flask. But i don't recommend doing so cuz u will have to run a quicksilver with remove bleed on it instead of 30% inc MS. And even with the not viable flask setup the phys mirrored wand outperform the spell+ele by not even 10%, also if u factor the vinktar pen in all that spell+ele will outperform on true dps phys wand cuz is dmg is about 85% lightning dmg. The issue with phys setup is the element dmg type distribution u end up with too much cold n fire for ur vinktar pen to be fully effective n vinktar pen + flask +pathfinder give 15% lightning pen n this is ALOT of dmg cuz pen work mostly like MORE dmg in POE. Also if u run number with infinite currency for phys make sure to do the same for ele n also u will have to factor the tree change .

Ill say it again IVE TRYIED BOTH SETUP.... there a reason why ive gone for spell+ELE aura instead of phys, n its not related to $$$$ cuz im on STD i have access and the money to those mirror wands.

PS. don't forget to factor the lightning pen from vinktar cuz in the end u down to that to decide what is stronger both setup are really close in dmg output on high end gear.

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philophil wrote:

atm im sitting in my ho with 164K on KB with aura+ golem and 137K on barrage with 7.3K ES.