[2.6] LL Ele Wander Raider ~ Insane clear speed/Shaper/Guardians - 225k Barrage tooltip

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philophil wrote:

i will run numbers between both setup to see whats the real difference, cuz i had different result when i tried both( was about 40% less dmg for due to my wand roll). But till then ill have to agree on the hubris usage here.

Btw just want to know if u factored aura/aura increase/flask/golem.

Please do post the results tho! I am very curious on which is more effective, CoE without enchant and hubris with +2! But it would depend heavily on what kind of wand you are wielding i suppose. My ele wand is fairly good Id say so that might be compensating for the loss that you might have experienced.

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KiwiPumkin wrote:

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philophil wrote:

i will run numbers between both setup to see whats the real difference, cuz i had different result when i tried both( was about 40% less dmg for due to my wand roll). But till then ill have to agree on the hubris usage here.

Btw just want to know if u factored aura/aura increase/flask/golem.

Please do post the results tho! I am very curious on which is more effective, CoE without enchant and hubris with +2! But it would depend heavily on what kind of wand you are wielding i suppose. My ele wand is fairly good Id say so that might be compensating for the loss that you might have experienced.

Just saying, +2 barrage enchant is incredibly powerful and is probably better than COE in this case. However, If you don't have skyforths & can't use choir, removing COE would make KB lose a massive amount of dps and you would either have to compensate your rare gloves for thunderfists (thus losing around the same ES you would have gained with your +2 proj hubris, since COE already has around 260 ES) or have a gem switch for KB in place of barrage, which kind of sucks imo. With everything being speculation until we get numbers it's better to stick with COE and consider the option if you feel that your single target is lacking - I think it's a bit overkill.

Something else impressive about CoE is that a spell damage wand with good rolls like the one below actually is only slightly weaker than a mirrored 370 pds wand. The biggest issue with wanders outside of single target is of course wands are insanely stupid to roll and finding a high end phys crit wand is like finding a mirror.

My wand
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barrage enhancement

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superweaver wrote:

My wand
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barrage enhancement

Holy.. nice. Standard I assume?

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Nephalim wrote:

Something else impressive about CoE is that a spell damage wand with good rolls like the one below actually is only slightly weaker than a mirrored 370 pds wand. The biggest issue with wanders outside of single target is of course wands are insanely stupid to roll and finding a high end phys crit wand is like finding a mirror.

it's all about how you scale damage

if you scale it on elemental auras, elemental attack damage gems, then a mirrored physical wand is useless

if you scale the physical damage of the wand with the passives tree that adds elmental damage based on phys dmg, then spell dmg wand and coe are much weaker than using a circlet.

i remember i had 160k kinetic dps on a 4link with 190iiq 450iir with just charges and onslaught taken from the node on the bottom of the tree, but with 8-9*5ex jewels

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superweaver wrote:

My wand
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barrage enhancement

Not standard.
wand =2e in the beginning of league + 4e craft
CoE = 15e :(

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superweaver wrote:

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superweaver wrote:

My wand
and

barrage enhancement

Not standard.
wand =2e in the beginning of league + 4e craft
CoE = 15e :(

That wand is pretty much perfect rolls. I'm jelly.

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Nephalim wrote:

Something else impressive about CoE is that a spell damage wand with good rolls like the one below actually is only slightly weaker than a mirrored 370 pds wand. The biggest issue with wanders outside of single target is of course wands are insanely stupid to roll and finding a high end phys crit wand is like finding a mirror.

With this wand + all my aura link with empower 4 (wrath 28/anger 24/herald of ice 24/ herald of thunder/24):

I had better result in therm of dmg vs a mirrored FOE BITE phys wand (yes, i did mod the tree for phys wand to be fair). But the difference wasn't that big about 10% more dmg with the ele setup at max depending on tree n jewel, but in therm of investment going for ELE wand+ COE is so much cheaper then phys. Also phys wander won't have around 85% of there dmg has lightning so the vinktar pen is less effective, with phys setup uptimized its about 70% lightning dmg the rest is phys/cold/fire (using phys to lightning gem).

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InAshesTheyShallReap wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Something else impressive about CoE is that a spell damage wand with good rolls like the one below actually is only slightly weaker than a mirrored 370 pds wand. The biggest issue with wanders outside of single target is of course wands are insanely stupid to roll and finding a high end phys crit wand is like finding a mirror.

it's all about how you scale damage

if you scale it on elemental auras, elemental attack damage gems, then a mirrored physical wand is useless

if you scale the physical damage of the wand with the passives tree that adds elmental damage based on phys dmg, then spell dmg wand and coe are much weaker than using a circlet.

i remember i had 160k kinetic dps on a 4link with 190iiq 450iir with just charges and onslaught taken from the node on the bottom of the tree, but with 8-9*5ex jewels

There is no such thing as a true physical wand build outside of added chaos poison builds. You take generic damage nodes ( spell,projectile, general wand damage) and even ele added from phys nodes but ultimately most of your damage will still be coming from WED and wrath because PPAD is a horrible gem outside because wands have such low pds.

Also, a mirrored phys wand is going to benefit from taste of hate which does little for ele wand or spell damage wands and is a huge part of your defensive suite.

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I had better result in therm of dmg vs a mirrored FOE BITE phys wand (yes, i did mod the tree for phys wand to be fair). But the difference wasn't that big about 10% more dmg with the ele setup at max depending on tree n jewel, but in therm of investment going for ELE wand+ COE is so much cheaper then phys. Also phys wander won't have around 85% of there dmg has lightning so the vinktar pen is less effective, with phys setup uptimized its about 70% lightning dmg the rest is phys/cold/fire (using phys to lightning gem).

I am fairly sure a coe + phys wand will outperform a spell wand + coe build at the highest level if you ignore cost but i would need to run the figures on path of building.