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psykh3 wrote:
Is this still working on legacy? my friend built this, got all the gear (even bought the first helm with enchant on the league), got to 80 something and said he can't even one shot uber izaro phases. Besides that, he says he dies for shit because of stuns, as the build don't have any form of immunity besides occultist's can't be stunned on full ES. His tooltip is 3.9k with inc aoe on a 6L.
We played bladefall mines back in the day and he said it doesn't come close to it's damage.
I was suspicious when he said all that, seeing your videos, but I asked him for every bit of gear that gives damage and he said he bought it already (flasks, jewels, rings with chaos damage, helm enchant, 6L, everything).
I was leveling this build too but now i'm in doubt. Can someone confirm this still works? How does the build go with medium gear (not maxed out but with okay gear)?
Stuns is annoying, just use eye of chayula. Worth every penny.
P.S. I don't think it can be true with good gear that he can't one shot izaro phase. Maybe it just that thing about izaro, when you kill him too fast and he will be still active for about 10 sec. It is always so with high damage build. How is it in the last phase?
Also, maybe he can just open his character here, and we will take a look at his build/gear/etc
Last edited by Med1umentor#6844 on Mar 6, 2017, 10:34:28 AM
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Posted byMed1umentor#6844on Mar 6, 2017, 10:25:31 AM
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Stuns is annoying, just use eye of chayula. Worth every penny.
P.S. I don't think it can be true with good gear that he can't one shot izaro phase. Maybe it just that thing about izaro, when you kill him too fast and he will be still active for about 10 sec. It is always so with high damage build. How is it in the last phase?
Also, maybe he can just open his character here, and we will take a look at his build/gear/etc
He got mad because he died 5 times before he could kill uber izaro, and sold all items to build a HoWA character.
I tought the same, it's odd that he couldn't one shot him with good gear, altrough he wasn't using infernal mantle, it was just a generic 6L regalia.
I can feel the damage already with only a 5L, no infernal mantle, lvl 18 gems, lvl 70. Voll gets one shotted if 9 mines placed, if it crits I don't even need the poison damage, just the mine damage kills him.
How do you get enough dex with Chayula? I got a +30 dex node but I still struggle.
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Posted bypsykh3#7503on Mar 6, 2017, 11:12:11 AM
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psykh3 wrote:
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Stuns is annoying, just use eye of chayula. Worth every penny.
P.S. I don't think it can be true with good gear that he can't one shot izaro phase. Maybe it just that thing about izaro, when you kill him too fast and he will be still active for about 10 sec. It is always so with high damage build. How is it in the last phase?
Also, maybe he can just open his character here, and we will take a look at his build/gear/etc
He got mad because he died 5 times before he could kill uber izaro, and sold all items to build a HoWA character.
I tought the same, it's odd that he couldn't one shot him with good gear, altrough he wasn't using infernal mantle, it was just a generic 6L regalia.
I can feel the damage already with only a 5L, no infernal mantle, lvl 18 gems, lvl 70. Voll gets one shotted if 9 mines placed, if it crits I don't even need the poison damage, just the mine damage kills him.
How do you get enough dex with Chayula? I got a +30 dex node but I still struggle.
I'm still not on my final gear, so, i just have 30+ dex on random boots. Later, i guess i can craft it on gloves or something if really strive for it.
In time i'll definitely went LL, so slot for presence of chayula is absolute, there is no way around it in LL.
About damage - exactly my thought. I just run around and kill everything with 4l fire nova. Damage is great even without poison shenaningans.
But poison itself is double-dipping magic. Double dipping is only cool, when you stacked enough to be worth it, but then it will rise in geometric progression.
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Posted byMed1umentor#6844on Mar 6, 2017, 11:30:35 AM
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psykh3 wrote:
Is this still working on legacy? my friend built this, got all the gear (even bought the first helm with enchant on the league), got to 80 something and said he can't even one shot uber izaro phases. Besides that, he says he dies for shit because of stuns, as the build don't have any form of immunity besides occultist's can't be stunned on full ES. His tooltip is 3.9k with inc aoe on a 6L.
We played bladefall mines back in the day and he said it doesn't come close to it's damage.
I was suspicious when he said all that, seeing your videos, but I asked him for every bit of gear that gives damage and he said he bought it already (flasks, jewels, rings with chaos damage, helm enchant, 6L, everything).
I was leveling this build too but now i'm in doubt. Can someone confirm this still works? How does the build go with medium gear (not maxed out but with okay gear)?
Also, I think Incandescent Heart could be a good replacement for Infernal Mantle, because it now has 353 ES, you can use discipline because you can now be in low mana, it gives 20% of elemental damage as extra chaos damage, and the 25% of elemental damage taken as chaos damage is just OP as a CI character, even more for shaper that does mostly elemental damage.
You said you are doing the build as a league starter too. How is it going?
I built this on standard before trying it on the league both CI & LL version I had 0 issues the damage was there my gems are lvls 18-20, like that other guy said get a chayula the fact your friend didn't have one shows he is just bad and spends $$$ on orbs.
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Posted bytravisiscool#0524on Mar 6, 2017, 12:53:01 PM
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Any reason why you're suggesting using added chaos over elemental focus/trap and mine damage ? I may be doing something wrong, but from what I see added chaos is the support contributing the least in terms of damage between all our choices. Am I missing something ?
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Posted byKaki#5609on Mar 6, 2017, 1:08:50 PM
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Kaki wrote:
Any reason why you're suggesting using added chaos over elemental focus/trap and mine damage ? I may be doing something wrong, but from what I see added chaos is the support contributing the least in terms of damage between all our choices. Am I missing something ?
Yes, cause added chaos is added before anything else to base damage of mine, which is 128-192 on 20 lvl, and it is 100% chaos, not that puny 60-75% conversion. Well, i don't know exact formula for those, but it is definitely must have.
P.S. mine/trap damage also must have, cause it double dip our poison, i don't know why it is labeled as last slot, but elemental focus certainly is weak.
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Posted byMed1umentor#6844on Mar 6, 2017, 1:25:17 PM
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Kaki wrote:
Any reason why you're suggesting using added chaos over elemental focus/trap and mine damage ? I may be doing something wrong, but from what I see added chaos is the support contributing the least in terms of damage between all our choices. Am I missing something ?
We have alot of %chaos modifiers on tree as well as void manip so flat chaos dmg gem is very strong since we don't deal enough chaos damage. It is the best gem for poison stacking.
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Posted byWorst_luck#4486on Mar 6, 2017, 1:32:35 PM
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Worst_luck wrote:
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Kaki wrote:
Any reason why you're suggesting using added chaos over elemental focus/trap and mine damage ? I may be doing something wrong, but from what I see added chaos is the support contributing the least in terms of damage between all our choices. Am I missing something ?
We have alot of %chaos modifiers on tree as well as void manip so flat chaos dmg gem is very strong since we don't deal enough chaos damage. It is the best gem for poison stacking.
What about my question about non-crit version? What do you think about it?
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Posted byMed1umentor#6844on Mar 6, 2017, 1:38:58 PM
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Worst_luck wrote:
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Kaki wrote:
Any reason why you're suggesting using added chaos over elemental focus/trap and mine damage ? I may be doing something wrong, but from what I see added chaos is the support contributing the least in terms of damage between all our choices. Am I missing something ?
We have alot of %chaos modifiers on tree as well as void manip so flat chaos dmg gem is very strong since we don't deal enough chaos damage. It is the best gem for poison stacking.
What about my question about non-crit version? What do you think about it?
Method to madness isn't worth dropping all my crit for, since I have a lot of crit multi on tree and some is even offered by mine nodes like blast cascade. Power charges won't be as useful. Crit in general is much more powerful and plenty more crit/crit multi nodes are offered on the tree than double-dipping nodes.
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Posted byWorst_luck#4486on Mar 6, 2017, 1:56:53 PM
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psykh3 wrote:
Is this still working on legacy? my friend built this, got all the gear (even bought the first helm with enchant on the league), got to 80 something and said he can't even one shot uber izaro phases. Besides that, he says he dies for shit because of stuns, as the build don't have any form of immunity besides occultist's can't be stunned on full ES. His tooltip is 3.9k with inc aoe on a 6L.
We played bladefall mines back in the day and he said it doesn't come close to it's damage.
I was suspicious when he said all that, seeing your videos, but I asked him for every bit of gear that gives damage and he said he bought it already (flasks, jewels, rings with chaos damage, helm enchant, 6L, everything).
I was leveling this build too but now i'm in doubt. Can someone confirm this still works? How does the build go with medium gear (not maxed out but with okay gear)?
Also, I think Incandescent Heart could be a good replacement for Infernal Mantle, because it now has 353 ES, you can use discipline because you can now be in low mana, it gives 20% of elemental damage as extra chaos damage, and the 25% of elemental damage taken as chaos damage is just OP as a CI character, even more for shaper that does mostly elemental damage.
You said you are doing the build as a league starter too. How is it going?
I built this on standard before trying it on the league both CI & LL version I had 0 issues the damage was there my gems are lvls 18-20, like that other guy said get a chayula the fact your friend didn't have one shows he is just bad and spends $$$ on orbs.
He bought chayula after dying a lot, but didn't like the idea of losing amulet slot anyway. He is a great player, has a lot of free time and knows how to flip items early in the league, besides an exalted drop which is huge for a flipper. Why attack people saying bad things about them without knowing shit?
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Posted bypsykh3#7503on Mar 6, 2017, 2:25:25 PM
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