[2.5] CoC Vortex Elementalist *Insane dps* 2-3 shot Guardians - Shaper down! [Video Inside]

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bSun0000 wrote:

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Eko13 wrote:

Anyone tried elementalist to occultist ? i think it's a better choice...only losing elemental resistance/pen to win a lot of survivability and +1 curse.

Not just resistances, +1 golem, +100% increased buff from golems (crits & fire damage), confluxes (if you don't choose -50% of elem. reflects), plain elemental damage.

Maybe it looks not-so-good, but i tried to switch from elemntalist to ocultist on other build with one of my old arc-crit characters. I have 145k dps (tooltip, 5L, charges & buffs) on elementalist, got 80k with occultist = 45% less damage. Less damage - more damage to you (longer fights) and less life-leech.

From my perspective - it does not worth it. Better to kill things faster, than have ~4k more energy shield.

Well i don't have any issues with my DPS so i don't mind lowering it a bit to get more tanky.

I checked your character...you don't use any movement skill and 3 curses while you can only get 2? (1 base + 1 ring or i missed something?) plus you took CI because of no shav, so you lost auras from bloodmagic, i really don't understand your setup...(nice enchant on boots, but you still miss the avoid beeing stunned like me ^^)

Btw i really dislike flame dash...the character have to stop walking to use it...only good in lab, i'll switch for whirling blade soon.

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Eko13 wrote:

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bSun0000 wrote:

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Eko13 wrote:

Anyone tried elementalist to occultist ? i think it's a better choice...only losing elemental resistance/pen to win a lot of survivability and +1 curse.

Not just resistances, +1 golem, +100% increased buff from golems (crits & fire damage), confluxes (if you don't choose -50% of elem. reflects), plain elemental damage.

Maybe it looks not-so-good, but i tried to switch from elemntalist to ocultist on other build with one of my old arc-crit characters. I have 145k dps (tooltip, 5L, charges & buffs) on elementalist, got 80k with occultist = 45% less damage. Less damage - more damage to you (longer fights) and less life-leech.

From my perspective - it does not worth it. Better to kill things faster, than have ~4k more energy shield.

Well i don't have any issues with my DPS so i don't mind lowering it a bit to get more tanky.

I checked your character...you don't use any movement skill and 3 curses while you can only get 2? (1 base + 1 ring or i missed something?) plus you took CI because of no shav, so you lost auras from bloodmagic, i really don't understand your setup...(nice enchant on boots, but you still miss the avoid beeing stunned like me ^^)

Btw i really dislike flame dash...the character have to stop walking to use it...only good in lab, i'll switch for whirling blade soon.

Two curses is enough for me. Mark + Temporals for a trash, Vulnerability + Flammability for a bosses. No auras on bloodmagic, but cheap es with chaos immune.. (7k right now, 10k with Vaal Discipline).

For a movement i use Warp setup (really fast) and flasks (+70% mov. speed with two of them).

Stuns is not a problem at all - they are really rare and Cast then Stunned trigger + Immortal Call saves my ass from stun-locks in most of dirty situations. Right now, the only one place there i can get a deadly stun-lock - is a first twins on uber-atziri map (this damn arc from enraged boss is absolutely nasty).

PS: Why you don't get this small "Spell damage per Power charge" node? On top of tree.. +24% Spell damage on 6 charges, for 1 skill-point..

Well actually as i said i don't lack damage, i mostly lack crit chance to proc and survivability that's why i don't care missing dmg nodes...

Switching skills made me drop a 20/20 gem on the ground without noticing yesterday -_-

I need a good vagan dagger, but i'm quite bad at crafting, so i have to purchase one but i have to learn better the values for this build.

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Eko13 wrote:

Well actually as i said i don't lack damage, i mostly lack crit chance to proc and survivability that's why i don't care missing dmg nodes...

Switching skills made me drop a 20/20 gem on the ground without noticing yesterday -_-

I need a good vagan dagger, but i'm quite bad at crafting, so i have to purchase one but i have to learn better the values for this build.

If you have a problem with crits, just remove your Controlled Destruction gem. Without him, starting from 4 power charges, i have 93% crit. chance.. (without effect from my boots and without diamond bottle)

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bSun0000 wrote:

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Eko13 wrote:

Well actually as i said i don't lack damage, i mostly lack crit chance to proc and survivability that's why i don't care missing dmg nodes...

Switching skills made me drop a 20/20 gem on the ground without noticing yesterday -_-

I need a good vagan dagger, but i'm quite bad at crafting, so i have to purchase one but i have to learn better the values for this build.

If you have a problem with crits, just remove your Controlled Destruction gem. Without him, starting from 4 power charges, i have 93% crit. chance.. (without effect from my boots and without diamond bottle)

Don't have any when i'm not lazy to spam my diamond flask (and controlled destruction is just 4-5% reduced critical strike chance) , just buying a vagan dagger in the few days coming will solve many issues.

Then i'll then focus on getting the chayula amulet,i prefer than a 3rd curse...dunno why.

Great build! However, I am struggling with critical strike chance and damage. Can you make some recommendations? My main hand critical strike chance is only around 10% without buffs or flasks. Here is my account (SauronHooker) :). http://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Bbanner516/

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Bbanner516 wrote:

Great build! However, I am struggling with critical strike chance and damage. Can you make some recommendations? My main hand critical strike chance is only around 10% without buffs or flasks. Here is my account (SauronHooker) :). http://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Bbanner516/

Open up your characters in privacy settings - currently they are hidden..

Should be good now. My crit chance is okay now that controlled destruction is gone but damage is super low...Also, mana regen can be tough even with warlords

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Bbanner516 wrote:

Should be good now. My crit chance is okay now that controlled destruction is gone but damage is super low...Also, mana regen can be tough even with warlords

You need a good crafted (multi-mod) Vagan's dagger with a base 80% crit. chance,
Find a good amulet with a Global Crit. chance (+spell. damage & multi will be awesome),
Find a good shield with a spell. crits (& spell damage) and drop this (damn) Voidbringers - from my experience, they are horrible (replace with good crafted Fingerless gloves),
Level up your Ice golem, optionally power-up him with Empower lvl3-4,
Find or buy 20% quality Cast on Crit gem - this will gives you an additional 20% crit. chance,
Same goes for a Inc. Crits gem - 20% quality have much more crits,
If you don't have amulet with +1 curse - use a ring with it. I mean really, use it.
If you want more damage - replace your belt with Doryani's Invitation one, like this:

Find some good jewels for your sockets, not this random ones, that you have right now.

And finally.. rebuild your passive skills tree. Your vision of this build is sux.

Hey guys, thanks a lot to OP for the build and everyone else for the great info as well. I'm running this now too and loving it. I have a few comments and a question to ask of anyone wiling to help, though:

I'm running occulist. Was using it for my old build and thought it was worth trying to port over instead of re specing. I can confirm it's pretty darn good. Lots of ES, an extra power charge and 20% increased crit along with a third curse. It's not bad at all.

My concern is low burn damage. I tried to squeeze in an empower like Mathil did but I feel now my crit is too low. With 6 power charges it's around 48% for cyclone and vortex. Should I replace the empower with crit strikes gem? If I do I'm around 68% crit. Would that help my burn damage melt better like some videos I've seen?

Right now my tool tip is 23k avg damage in hideout. But as I've said the burn damage seems underwhelming. Running Wm, am, and discipline. Third curse is used by my friend I usually play with who uses vulnerability. Should I perhaps consider dropping Wm for ele weakness? If I have leech on my boots is that enough?

Thanks all.

Edit: ok, so I'm loving my vortex build as occulist. I really do. But every so often I'm getting one shot. Like, point blank sawed off shotgun to the face styles. Is this the handy work of elemental reflect? And will it force me to swap to elementalist?