News Part II

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Mannoth wrote:

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No sorry, new threads are being created both here and on Reddit every day and in greater numbers then any other topic. And the vast majority of them have already been verified to be unique posters.

And there are tons of threads with groups of people arguing things, and they aren't 299 pages long.

No, the evidence is there, you just continually make every excuse imaginable regardless of how many things there are showing you you're obviously wrong.

I mean really I can come up with a million reasons why anything you day doesn't matter, and you can do the same to me. Difference is there are clear facts out there being ignored by you for your own benefit.

I like how you completely failed to address my reply to you and started again with straw man arguments.
If I didn't know better, I would say you are a politician.

And no, you can't make a million valid logic reasons for every little thing, you said there are tons of reasons why the only proposal to actually getting actual information the right way about this issues won't work.
And then I called you out on that remark, asking for at least ten valid logic reasons why it won't work, because that is how a good debate is held, you present a statement and I ask proof behind that statement.
You present factual evidence instead of ramblings and defend your points with logic and not made up numbers.

And regarding threads and posts, regard to my "quality vs quantity" remark, 299 pages long thread means little if it has the same people arguing all the time like this one seems to go about.

I would also like to know what the "vast majority" means to you, because I really doubt that the 299 pages of labyrinth thread consists of >90% of unique posters (which is roughly a case when you say vast majority, while majority is usually >50%).

Also do not confuse valid logical reasoning for excuses, I make former and not the latter.

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Char1983 wrote:

Discussion with you seems impossible.

Besides, if it doesn't change the lab at all, why do you care?

LOL
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO RUN IT OBVIOUSLY OMG

This guy HAS to be trolling

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Mannoth wrote:

And regarding threads and posts, regard to my "quality vs quantity" remark, 299 pages long thread means little if it has the same people arguing all the time like this one seems to go about.

I would also like to know what the "vast majority" means to you, because I really doubt that the 299 pages of labyrinth thread consists of >90% of unique posters (which is roughly a case when you say vast majority, while majority is usually >50%).

Also do not confuse valid logical reasoning for excuses, I make former and not the latter.

Heh heh, clearly you're a rookie on this subject. Educate yourself.

First of all, what I actually said was "No sorry, new threads are being created both here and on Reddit every day and in greater numbers then any other topic. And the vast majority of them have already been verified to be unique posters.". I never said anything about the 299 pages long thread being unique posters nor do I care, it isn't relevant.

The relevant fact is that a 299 page feedback thread existing ON ANY SUBJECT means people are not happy about it.
There are TONS of threads where the same 5 people argue back and forth for pages and pages, and none of them reached 299 pages milestone here in the feedback forums. Why do you think that is HURR DURR

Regarding the tons of threads about lab, here you go:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702621/page/1

For someone who talks so much about facts and logic you sure do ignore all of it with some of the best selective hearing/reading I've ever seen.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Char1983 wrote:

Discussion with you seems impossible.

Besides, if it doesn't change the lab at all, why do you care?

LOL
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO RUN IT OBVIOUSLY OMG

This guy HAS to be trolling

Look, either the lab doesn't change with what you propose, then it doesn't matter either way.

Or it does change.

You deny it would change.

That obviously doesn't make any sense, for you to not have to run it to get Ascendancy points, the lab would have to change (have the Ascendancy points either removed or made non-exclusive).

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Heh heh, clearly you're a rookie on this subject. Educate yourself.

First of all, what I actually said was "No sorry, new threads are being created both here and on Reddit every day and in greater numbers then any other topic. And the vast majority of them have already been verified to be unique posters.". I never said anything about the 299 pages long thread being unique posters nor do I care, it isn't relevant.

The relevant fact is that a 299 page feedback thread existing ON ANY SUBJECT means people are not happy about it.
There are TONS of threads where the same 5 people argue back and forth for pages and pages, and none of them reached 299 pages milestone here in the feedback forums. Why do you think that is HURR DURR

Regarding the tons of threads about lab, here you go:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702621/page/1

For someone who talks so much about facts and logic you sure do ignore all of it with some of the best selective hearing/reading I've ever seen.

Just going to say that one of the easiest ways to know when someone is losing a debate is when he resorts to name calling and downgrading his opponent.

My point still stands that you can find the vocal minority about this issue in all of these threads.

Sure a new player who doesn't like the labyrinth will make a thread and then the bandwagon of other players who constantly voice that opinion will post in it also.
As such you inflate the number of posts in every such thread but add no actual sensible information regarding the matter, as such the quantity of these threads isn't even a good merit because those players are already violating a good policy of a forum where you do not create 10 threads about an issue but talk about it in a single one.

Again quantity of posters and whiners do not have merit because:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias

So while the quantity of people who complain about the labyrinth on the forums might not be really small when watched outside of context, the fact is that the number of people who do visit the forums and go to the feedback section are there because of negativity bias.

As such you get a skewed view of the reality, because people act upon negative experiences but do not always give praise for good experiences, because that is human nature.

Also I didn't say 5 people made the 299 pages, but when you take in the fact 5 people alone can push like 20 pages of discussion, the validity of bringing up quantity paired with the negativity bias that is extremely present on the feedback forum section leads to a skewed perception of the state of the game which cannot be taken for as true.

You have decided to ignore these facts (because they are facts) from my previous replies, so I really would like if you could refute my points with logic this time.

I've actually tried to walk through the first few pages of the feedback forum. Besides this thread and the ginormous monster-labhate-thread, I've found 2 other threads which generally dislike the lab, one that dislikes the performance, one that dislikes the fact that charge disruptors are so prevalent, and three that discuss helmet enchantments, but not lab or ascendancy points in general.

Other than that, I've found like 7 threads discussing QOL improvements, 9 threads discussing maps (2 of them about sextants, two about technical performance issues), 4 discussing guilds, 6 discussing power creep and/or life/ES balance, 5 discussing MTX, and so on.

Yeah, there is quite some lab feedback, but it's not quite a clear majority as you state, at least I cannot see that...?

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Legatus1982 wrote:

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Char1983 wrote:

Discussion with you seems impossible.

Besides, if it doesn't change the lab at all, why do you care?

LOL
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO RUN IT OBVIOUSLY OMG

This guy HAS to be trolling

Hows it feel to want?

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Char1983 wrote:

I've actually tried to walk through the first few pages of the feedback forum. Besides this thread and the ginormous monster-labhate-thread, I've found 2 other threads which generally dislike the lab, one that dislikes the performance, one that dislikes the fact that charge disruptors are so prevalent, and three that discuss helmet enchantments, but not lab or ascendancy points in general.

Other than that, I've found like 7 threads discussing QOL improvements, 9 threads discussing maps (2 of them about sextants, two about technical performance issues), 4 discussing guilds, 6 discussing power creep and/or life/ES balance, 5 discussing MTX, and so on.

Yeah, there is quite some lab feedback, but it's not quite a clear majority as you state, at least I cannot see that...?

Obviously you cannot, because I just a few posts up linked over 260 threads about how bad lab is.

Your combined selective vision is pretty astounding really

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Mannoth wrote:

So while the quantity of people who complain about the labyrinth on the forums might not be really small when watched outside of context, the fact is that the number of people who do visit the forums and go to the feedback section are there because of negativity bias.

As such you get a skewed view of the reality, because people act upon negative experiences but do not always give praise for good experiences, because that is human nature.

Also I didn't say 5 people made the 299 pages, but when you take in the fact 5 people alone can push like 20 pages of discussion, the validity of bringing up quantity paired with the negativity bias that is extremely present on the feedback forum section leads to a skewed perception of the state of the game which cannot be taken for as true.

You have decided to ignore these facts (because they are facts) from my previous replies, so I really would like if you could refute my points with logic this time.

IDK how many times I have to explain it to you before you understand.

Negativity bias has NO EFFECT on the RELATIVE QUANTITY of one complaint VERSUS ANOTHER COMPLAINT.

LAB = LONGER THAN ANY OTHER COMPLAINT THREAD
LAB = MUCH HIGHER QUANTITY OF COMPLAINERS THAN ANY OTHER TOPIC

Until you can explain that simple fact you need to stop. Seriously you are wasting everyone's time with this kind of crap. You know damn well what is going on in these forums as well as in the game.

Yeah, but are they in the first three or four pages? That is what I looked at. Why didn't I look further? Cause there are more than 60000 threads in the feedback forum, and I don't have the time to read all of them (I would guess that more than 500 of them are about maps though, and probably more than 500 about QOL improvements as well).

Majority =/= a lot.
Majority = more than others.