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Quantity of complaints does not = majority of the player base.
All it represents is a vocal minority.
When you say quantity of complaints you are really saying quantity of replies. Very few lab threads are actually different people saying different things. In reality its the same people posting in the same threads the same exact information back and forth for pages upon pages. Desync had more threads by different people than lab has replies by different people.
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Posted byJgizle#5723on Oct 11, 2016, 7:42:00 PM
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Char1983 wrote:
Yeah, but are they in the first three or four pages? That is what I looked at. Why didn't I look further? Cause there are more than 60000 threads in the feedback forum, and I don't have the time to read all of them (I would guess that more than 500 of them are about maps though, and probably more than 500 about QOL improvements as well).
Majority =/= a lot.
Majority = more than others.
You are welcome to go find how many map threads there are and compare them to the number of lab threads. Solo mapping is a pretty serious fuckup by GGG as well, I'm not going to diminish the number of map complaints there are.
Doesn't change the fact that lab is easily the top complaint.
my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes
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Bug Fixes:
People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it.
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Posted byLegatus1982#1658on Oct 11, 2016, 7:42:41 PM
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Jgizle wrote:
Quantity of complaints does not = majority of the player base.
All it represents is a vocal minority.
When you say quantity of complaints you are really saying quantity of replies. Very few lab threads are actually different people saying different things. In reality its the same people posting in the same threads the same exact information back and forth for pages upon pages. Desync had more threads by different people than lab has replies by different people.
I've already been through this argument somewhere between 4 and 10 times, you're welcome to catch up on the discussion but you're dead wrong regardless.
my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes
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People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Oct 11, 2016, 7:44:29 PM
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Posted byLegatus1982#1658on Oct 11, 2016, 7:44:10 PM
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Legatus1982 wrote:
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Jgizle wrote:
Quantity of complaints does not = majority of the player base.
All it represents is a vocal minority.
When you say quantity of complaints you are really saying quantity of replies. Very few lab threads are actually different people saying different things. In reality its the same people posting in the same threads the same exact information back and forth for pages upon pages. Desync had more threads by different people than lab has replies by different people.
I've already been through this argument somewhere between 4 and 10 times, you're welcome to catch up on the discussion but you're dead wrong regardless.
Prove it mate. Ive counted every single individual post or reply by different players, and it is less than 200.
It is much easier to assume than to back your opinion up. Which is all you have done, makes an empty statement.
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Posted byJgizle#5723on Oct 11, 2016, 7:53:25 PM
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Char1983 wrote:
Yeah, but are they in the first three or four pages? That is what I looked at. Why didn't I look further? Cause there are more than 60000 threads in the feedback forum, and I don't have the time to read all of them (I would guess that more than 500 of them are about maps though, and probably more than 500 about QOL improvements as well).
Majority =/= a lot.
Majority = more than others.
You are welcome to go find how many map threads there are and compare them to the number of lab threads. Solo mapping is a pretty serious fuckup by GGG as well, I'm not going to diminish the number of map complaints there are.
Doesn't change the fact that lab is easily the top complaint.
I got better things to do with my time.
Remove Horticrafting station storage limit.
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Posted byChar1983#2680on Oct 11, 2016, 8:01:32 PM
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Jgizle wrote:
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Legatus1982 wrote:
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Jgizle wrote:
Quantity of complaints does not = majority of the player base.
All it represents is a vocal minority.
When you say quantity of complaints you are really saying quantity of replies. Very few lab threads are actually different people saying different things. In reality its the same people posting in the same threads the same exact information back and forth for pages upon pages. Desync had more threads by different people than lab has replies by different people.
I've already been through this argument somewhere between 4 and 10 times, you're welcome to catch up on the discussion but you're dead wrong regardless.
Prove it mate. Ive counted every single individual post or reply by different players, and it is less than 200.
It is much easier to assume than to back your opinion up. Which is all you have done, makes an empty statement.
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Zaludoz wrote:
Figured this list fits here best.
I went through the 240ish posts listed in this thread, as well as a few others I came across in both General Discussion and Feedback and Suggestions forums, trying to get a bit of perspective on the numbers of unique people posting. People keep saying only a few people dislike the labyrinth, or want change... and they throw around numbers like 5 or 9 people... got me wondering what it was really like. Also I was bored during downtime at work the past couple days, and felt it would be more fun to do this than play PoE (and it was!).
First, these 2 lists were of interest to me. Most of the threads were back-and-forth between these 2 lists of people. (My perception of "Actively", here, was posting in multiple topics on multiple pages of those topics, making up a bulk of the conversations)
Have been Actively For Change:
Have been Actively Against change:
The next list of 582 different people posted in support of changing at least one aspect of the labyrinth, such as adding waypoints or adding alternative ascendancy options, or Posted that they find the labyrinth to be not fun, or tolerate the labyrinth, but don't like it, all the way to hating the labyrinth and want it removed asap. To reiterate: This is not a list of all "Lab haters", it's just people who were open to the idea of changing the Labyrinth. Many presented their own ideas, many just +1'd other's ideas or their feelings.
People in the list include the active ones above. I may have included names of people who have since changed their minds, or I may have missed some threads where others have commented about changing the labyrinth. I ignored posts simply about difficulty killing Izaro and the nightmare that is helmet enchants. The list is vaguely in alphabetic order (at least a's with a's, but after a while I got tired of alphabetizing and threads started blurring together) There were 131 thread starters that I took note of with a + after their names, but that was not the focus of my search, I wanted to see unique posters (most of whom did not post their own threads, and many times only posted 1 time on the subject on the boards at all).
There u go little buddy
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Bug Fixes:
People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Oct 11, 2016, 8:41:21 PM
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Posted byLegatus1982#1658on Oct 11, 2016, 8:40:16 PM
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Yeah gj a list that says 15 people are totally against lab, and a list with 200 people saying they dislike 1 aspect of lab. Every name with a + at end is fine with lab as is.
Hence less than 200 people dislike lab. Take note some of those names are duplicates of the above list. Finally take note that changing 1 aspect of lab does not advocate for total dislike of lab.
See this is the difference between you and I. You dont take time to read those persons posts, you just read an overview presented to you and take it as fact.
There is few players who hate lab. Most people like lab and want 1 thing changed. 1 is either traps or ac points, but mostly traps. Which can be fixed without changing lab at all, and is likely the only change that will ever occur.
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Posted byJgizle#5723on Oct 11, 2016, 8:45:37 PM
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id like to do an experiment:
top lab hate posters (we all know who you are, no names needed) refrain from posting (and creating alt-accounts..) for a week in lab-related threads
we will then see the real scope of the issue
because it doesnt take to be a genius to see that most of the lab threads (the big one, this one, the collectors one) are kept on life support by the clique that bumps them periodically
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Posted bysidtherat#1310on Oct 12, 2016, 1:48:20 AM
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id like to do an experiment:
top lab hate posters (we all know who you are, no names needed) refrain from posting (and creating alt-accounts..) for a week in lab-related threads
we will then see the real scope of the issue
because it doesnt take to be a genius to see that most of the lab threads (the big one, this one, the collectors one) are kept on life support by the clique that bumps them periodically
Completely agree with you sid. Jgizle, morbo, Fruz, Xtorma, Char1983, Goatjam and the rest should completely stop posting on lab threads (this aint one so they should keep doing their funny jokes on this), they keep bumbing and bumbing them to no end. What is wrong with those people and they wanna keep a lost cause alive?
Inundated with cockroaches, I am
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216 - labyrinth rework ideas/suggestions Last edited by Regulator#4587 on Oct 12, 2016, 2:12:12 AM
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Posted byRegulator#4587on Oct 12, 2016, 2:10:33 AMAlpha Member
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Its funny giving lab haters hope. They always use the same threads as proof a majority hates lab when thats obviously untrue.
Also dont mix me up with that cliqué, i am fine with lab never changing. It guarantees I will always be in business with lab carries, and i will always be making more profit than any one mapping.
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Posted byJgizle#5723on Oct 12, 2016, 5:45:49 AM
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