[2.4] low life Mjolner supertank done right by Rico

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RicoKGB wrote:

Damn... you have some patience and willpower. For me its a language of bushes. Will read as well.

EDIT: Reviewed it, watched the videos. Its very nice.

DPS of linked build, calculated based on Minotaur fight under Enfeeble curse is around 246k. It is around 20-30k higher than this build with VoV up. However the main difference here is that linked build has almost 100% VoV flask uptime, both for DPS and crazy leech. But as I said: it wont last long. It will be the same sad story as with 2.3. Jugg.

Hello there and thank you. Yes the pathfinder probably will get removed from the game together with blade bladevortex (Im exaggerating). My intention was to have fun for the last month and to have a mjolner build who can down shaper - as there is currently no other (with a video proof). Regarding flask uptime if done right its not almost it is all the time :).

About dps calculation i still dont get how you do calculate stuff. I have seen the Minotaur video posted in this guide with no enfeeble and no tempchains on cheap mods and it takes around 3 minutes and 30 seconds to beat Minotaur. For me it takes 1 minute and 20 seconds under enfeeble and tempchains curse. To me this means that in real dps spoken low life pathfinder got at least around 3.5 times more damage as the duelist presented here and not just 20-30k ;) Im very curious to see this duelist build trying to do shaper.

Still a very decent build you got here. Id still stick with my Life/EB/MoM/Crit/RF Juggernaut when Pathfinder is nerfed though.

Hey zzang. I've posted DPS difference with VoV up. Without VoV its night and day, as you wrote: 3 times the DPS of this one here. But thats mainly because the other one has almost perma VoV up. Other than that its 14.5k Discharge DPU with 100% chance to hit vs 21k Discharge DPU with ~89% chance to hit. If Minotaur vid is provided you can calculate avg DPS yourself: Minotaur has about 12mil 800k life pool and 40% ele resistances. Its not hard to get that info you know.

Please read my posts with care. Im not trying to prove anything here. Personally I just wont invest tons of currency in something that will last one month or so. So you can be snide in your comments, I dont care :)

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zzang wrote:

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neuerkunde wrote:

Anyone here with more info about that build ?

Hello there, yes i have translated the Garena build Low Life Pathfinder and played it for the last two days. Its by far the strongest Mjolner build there is. I have written a guide based on it with Shaper and all guardian down videos check it out: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1750841

Well, if you see vids from that Chinese guy...he´s doing Deathless Shaper with 2 ppl inside and last vid with x4 ppl inside (2 deaths only), and he has only 6K ES....so that guy is far away from your build, but regardless you did a good job!

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redix27 wrote:

Well, if you see vids from that Chinese guy...he´s doing Deathless Shaper with 2 ppl inside and last vid with x4 ppl inside (2 deaths only), and he has only 6K ES....so that guy is far away from your build, but regardless you did a good job!

Indeed i was not able to reconstruct the full build of this guy its around 3 times more damage than my interpretation of it. He probably took all out dps nodes and no ES nodes at all and uses high ES boots to get to the 6k ES. I have seen that he uses RF with empower and enchance lvl 4 but still the damage is unbelivable.

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RicoKGB wrote:

If Minotaur vid is provided you can calculate avg DPS yourself: Minotaur has about 12mil 800k life pool and 40% ele resistances. Its not hard to get that info you know.

Please read my posts with care. Im not trying to prove anything here. Personally I just wont invest tons of currency in something that will last one month or so. So you can be snide in your comments, I dont care :)

EDIT

Alright lets see here is my real dps calculation (not paper):

Minotaur video of duelist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TRCVuCKtJU) - has no enfeeble - has no temp chains and cheap mods, starts to hit first at 3:58 and finishes at 7:23 which is a time of 3:25 minutes

12 800 000 million HP divided by 205 seconds (= 3:25 minutes) = 62 439 damage per second dealt which contains already all things like ele weakness, enemy resists, vessel of vinktar ect.


Now Low Life Pathfinder real dps calculation:

Minotaur Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNCHnd1u0mI) - has enfeeble (21% - 36% less dmg will take the average rounded down here = 28% less dmg) - has tempchains (20% - 29% less attack speed = less dps average = 24% less dmg) and hard damage mods, starts to hit first at: 21 seconds and finishes at 1:28 which is a beatdown time of 67 seconds.

12 800 800 million * ( 1+ 0.28 enfeeble + 0.24 temp chains) = 19 456 000 HP with curses applied. You are free to correct me if im wrong here.

19 456 000 HP divided by 67 seconds = 290 388 damage per second

SO the duelist damage fits around 4.6 times into my damage.

As we both stand still during the fight and not move this is a fair comparision i guess. If not i can make a minotaur video on cheap mods and down minotaur in ~ 40 seconds.

Regarding required currency: i already had the gear i just needed to recolor some stuff. I dont recommend to do my build if you dont already have the stuffs in standard.

Yeah, thats the way to do it. My build at that time was 9.8k Dischare DPU and no 20/20 EW. Final build has 14.5k DPU and 20/20 EW with 20/20 Blasphemy (see redix27's stats). So real DPS will be closer to 85-90k vs 40% ele resistance target. But overall, good job with calcultion.

I would only point out one thing: dunno If attack speed has a significant role in DPS increase. In other words: if the build has enough APS to be 20 trigger events/s capped with themp chains on than attack speed should be removed from calculation. Than real DPS is around 244k as I wrote somewhere above. Even if attack speed has a role in this, current Duelist LL version is also using Haste (wasnt using it before).

Leaving attack speed issue behind, its ~85k vs 244k or 3 times the DPS. One basically without VoV one with perma VoV. Without VoV it will be ~85k vs 163k or 2 times the DPS when it gets nerfed and without much of any other defences. And with that lvl of DPS (without the necessity of relying on flasks) theres excelent tackle70's low life Rainbownuke in Mara forums.

So yeah currently its good (and possibly overall best), shame it wont last long.

However I wouldn say "its yours" or even that chinese guy's, original idea is much older:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1651051

I was aware of that, long before this discussion. Just didnt want to make one in 2.4 as I know it sadly wont last long (especially when 50% of community is playing Pathfinders BVs with perma VoV and other uniq flasks up). Same story was with my 2.3 Fire Jugg. It was to good to last. GGG should not nerf builds that people are enyoing to play. They should buff other builds to match them. This way game would be much more fun. Instead everytime we have orgasms with one or two powerfull builds in current patch, they're getting nerfed and the only thing left is the memory of how good they were. Damn...

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zzang wrote:

Now Low Life Pathfinder real dps calculation:

You forgot RF ....you can not compare both fights because Rico didn´t use RF on his vid

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redix27 wrote:

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zzang wrote:

Now Low Life Pathfinder real dps calculation:

You forget RF ....you can not compare because he didn´t use RF on his vid

Yeah redix thats also true... however I think that some valid points have been made. Theres no arguing that this low life Pathfinder is extremely good. It is just to good to last with current GGG's "game balancing policy" (but thats a discusion for a different topic I think). And sooner than later everyone who invested in it will dig a grave for it and light the candle up. So as I wrote and zzang agreed (I think) if anyone has a gear and character requirements now or can have it without much of an issue than theres no other recommendation than simply "Do it".

Me, I think I will stick with this one and have fun with others in optimising it further as it has a lot of potential.

All right, thx to redix I have now 4 off colors Alphas Howl. Now I just need a better shield, maybe lvl 4 Enl for a more comfort in play, and some lvl ups. Currently Im also testing Haste vs Anger.


My current gear and gems setup:




EDIT: Anger adds about 10% more DMG. Just for QoL reasons Haste is better. Its also better to run just HoT for 5% more and have some room or HoT+HoI to have same lvl of dmg as with Anger but also doing all 3 elemental to offset some "equilibrium" mods.


EDIT2: I've dropped Haste as well. Im at 4.29 APS without it and 4.85 with it. Im not feeling that its adding me anything else than just movement speed (I dont see a difference in boss killing time).

I've added Herald of Thunder instead as its provides me with 7% more DPU per each Discharge, about 5% more dmg to my Arc (and its doing nice dmg on its own), but more than that its another source of Power Charge generation (both packs and single target). So HoT is improving both single target dmg (more DPU and 5/5 charges 50% of the time with Arc vs Boss) and clear speed. It has also nice QoL bonus destroying all the boxes/barrels which is really nice for low life build that doesnt want to "waste" life pool for such things.

With HoT and all the auras I have 165 life left with just one lvl 3 Enl which is awesome.

Finally im doing some progress as maps started to drop!

Finally got lv94 , 7K ES

Note: I have another shield with -20% spell damage but chaos res (gives me 7.2K ES and 14K dpu) but only used for chaos damage bosses.

Note2: If you want to use HoT as 9th aura, you need my enchancement or similar, 106 life left with Enlighten lv4, about 88 life left with Enlighten lv3

Note3: If i add Celestial Judgment, i can add about +1.2K dpu, so total dpu round about 16K + EW

My Passive Tree



My current gear and gems setup:





Stats at full charges and 9 auras (HoT last one)

Offence full 5/5 (14.8K dpu)



Offence full 5/5 + RF (25K dpu)

Testing RF sustained VS Bosses with Enfeeble mod
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You need Ruby Flask with Immunity to Ignite for removing RF when Boss is not focused and it moves around you like a chicken:P

T15 Core "Prodigy of Hexes" with Enfeeble

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T15 Core "Malachai Soul of Eaters" with Enfeeble

Vid



Why this test?...well, if you are very best dodging and keep calm and you are good using your flask (not me)...maybe...you can take down Shaper, because, as you see in my vids, you can sustain RF mostly without Ruby or VoV flask but remember...the higher is your ES the higher is your degen with RF.

And for Shaper...RF it´s mandatory and mabye Alchemist node for empowering our flaks and get +1% all res.