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Aim_Deep wrote:
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wasama wrote:
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r3g1s wrote:
I've said it before and ill say it again - coc and mjonier didnt get nerfed -they got KILLED
And i dont know why ANYONE would be happy about it - earlier u could go selfcast or trigger (COC) or melee/range, now the whole game is WORSE because there is one skill mechanic less.
Bofore was only COC. Now you can select COC or self-cast (damage is near equal). So one more skill mechanic:)
how is damage near equal? I can self cast 6x a second a use real wands
CoC is 2x cast a second and wastes points on accuracy or cant evade
No where near equal when limited to one spell and with speed cap
Self cast will be at least 3x more powerful
Its another one of those people that cant add up aim. They are like talking to a brick wall.
referring to wasama
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Posted byplodd#5033on Aug 31, 2016, 3:18:15 PM
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Kastmar wrote:
Hopefully GGG will read it.
It took me almost 3 years to figure out my own build capable of doing end game contest. I just today tried with it gold T15 core map. NO DEATH!!!! This is first time I was able to do end game map with no death. After 3 years of trying my own build. In two day this build will be death. I's not about do full respec. and go on.... I put lot of effort to make the build be strong in defense and offense. Lot of tweaking. I enjoy it. Now when I suppose to take advantage of my build and FINALLY do end game bosses, my build is death.
The more complex the mechanics - the greater the chance of build breaking.
SPECIAL gems, tree nodes, unique items make build unstable.
Do you remember Insenerate Incinerate, Crown of Eyes, Aegis Aurora?
The best way is using basic mechanics - self-caste and archery without emphasis on any skill.
Mirror bow and kaom or many mirrored ES items.
Such builds are strong from the very begining
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Posted bywasama#6854on Aug 31, 2016, 3:18:34 PM
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Support Gem Balance:
Cast when Stunned now also triggers when blocking a hit that would stun.
Beautiful.
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Posted byMalpheas#7617on Aug 31, 2016, 3:18:50 PM
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Kastmar wrote:
I'm different I like building my build from scratch. Tweek every detail. It take looong time but I like it. I have no problem to play years with same character if it's good and I see potential.
Yeah, I can imagine. Again, I understand your frustration, at the same time, if you min/max your builds in terms of gear and whatnot, you actually should have an easy time swapping some gems, and trying a new setup.
Let's be honest here. Today the patch notes came out, you got hit hard again, which sucks, but the bottom line is that your understanding of the game is good enough that you can come up with something new.
Give it a couple days, look at the items you have, look at what new items are being added, and you'll whip up a new monster in no time, trust me. Given how unlucky you have been, I'd say there's a decent chance the next nerf won't hit you as hard as the previous ones.
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Rocky_Balboa wrote:
Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place, and I don’t care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard you hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done! Now, if you know what you’re worth, then go out and get what you’re worth. But you gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain’t where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody. Cowards do that and that ain’t you. You’re better than that!
[quote="ScrotieMcB"]It's just, like, people's opinions, man.
But I cannot respect motherf♪♫♫♪rs calling something a simulator, when it isn't one.[/quote]
Mors edited this post first.
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Posted bySure_K4y#1656on Aug 31, 2016, 3:19:16 PM
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wasama wrote:
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Kastmar wrote:
Hopefully GGG will read it.
It took me almost 3 years to figure out my own build capable of doing end game contest. I just today tried with it gold T15 core map. NO DEATH!!!! This is first time I was able to do end game map with no death. After 3 years of trying my own build. In two day this build will be death. I's not about do full respec. and go on.... I put lot of effort to make the build be strong in defense and offense. Lot of tweaking. I enjoy it. Now when I suppose to take advantage of my build and FINALLY do end game bosses, my build is death.
The more complex the mechanics - the greater the chance of build breaking.
SPECIAL gems, tree nodes, unique items make build unstable.
Do you remember Insenerate Incinerate, Crown of Eyes, Aegis Aurora?
The best way is using basic mechanics - self-caste and archery without emphasis on any skill.
Mirror bow and kaom or many mirrored ES items.
Such builds are strong from the very begining
I never see build capable to do gold T15 map without dying. I don't know the build you referring to. Or your build have to expensive as hell to bypass crucial keystones from tree.
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Posted byKastmar#4974on Aug 31, 2016, 3:22:48 PM
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Your not dead actually the only thing to survive Coc or mjo nerf is discharge ironically enough
because
a) you only needed one spell while non dichargers used 3-4 spells
b) attack speed never that high with cyclone so 500ms is not a big nerf
c)discharge mjo worked fine before juggs even invented.
dead is all the other coc builds who didnt use discharge and self casting will be at least 3x more powerful simply due to fact CoCers are limited to one spell which can only be cast 2x a second while self caster can cast 6+x
Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Aug 31, 2016, 3:31:20 PM
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Posted byAim_Deep#3474on Aug 31, 2016, 3:23:09 PM
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Sure_K4y wrote:
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Kastmar wrote:
I'm different I like building my build from scratch. Tweek every detail. It take looong time but I like it. I have no problem to play years with same character if it's good and I see potential.
Yeah, I can imagine. Again, I understand your frustration, at the same time, if you min/max your builds in terms of gear and whatnot, you actually should have an easy time swapping some gems, and trying a new setup.
Let's be honest here. Today the patch notes came out, you got hit hard again, which sucks, but the bottom line is that your understanding of the game is good enough that you can come up with something new.
Give it a couple days, look at the items you have, look at what new items are being added, and you'll whip up a new monster in no time, trust me. Given how unlucky you have been, I'd say there's a decent chance the next nerf won't hit you as hard as the previous ones.
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Rocky_Balboa wrote:
Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place, and I don’t care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard you hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done! Now, if you know what you’re worth, then go out and get what you’re worth. But you gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain’t where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody. Cowards do that and that ain’t you. You’re better than that!
Thanks I'll try... but don't know....
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Posted byKastmar#4974on Aug 31, 2016, 3:23:46 PM
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Path of nerfs
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Posted byCryMexis#2509on Aug 31, 2016, 3:27:40 PM
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Aim_Deep wrote:
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wasama wrote:
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r3g1s wrote:
I've said it before and ill say it again - coc and mjonier didnt get nerfed -they got KILLED
And i dont know why ANYONE would be happy about it - earlier u could go selfcast or trigger (COC) or melee/range, now the whole game is WORSE because there is one skill mechanic less.
Bofore was only COC. Now you can select COC or self-cast (damage is near equal). So one more skill mechanic:)
how is damage near equal? I can self cast 6x a second a use real wands
CoC is 2x cast a second and wastes points on accuracy or cant evade
No where near equal when limited to one spell and with speed cap
Self cast will be at least 3x more powerful
Without support gems you can cast only 1-2x second.
So for COC you should use support gems with damage increase instead of cast speed.
The same DPS
In addition you can use Elemental Equilibrium with COC. And gloves with curse on hit (curse on hit will be applyed after attack skill hit and before spell hit)
Last edited by wasama#6854 on Aug 31, 2016, 3:28:47 PM
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Posted bywasama#6854on Aug 31, 2016, 3:28:15 PM
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When will it be applied, the 2 sept with the new expansion patch ?
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Posted byAbnegatus#6394on Aug 31, 2016, 3:28:56 PM
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