Zerphi + EA is broken (proof of concept, 60k - 100k heal per second)

Haunt I know you have a min-maxed build and I respect you, but I think fyndel's build is about as much min-maxed as yours. Lapiz said some overstatements, that's true, and you must have higher damage as LL and bigger investment into it but saying you deal double the damage of fyndel's is also exaggerating.

I did some quick tests on my Fireball character with Firestorm, because I also have similar gear level (my profile is open too, so check out):

I didn't swap any jewels, I only had 4 Rolling flames in, which already makes my tree suboptimal because of stretching for int nodes, so overall not too high level of damage investment either, just grabbing most crit nodes. With just an Anger aura on, inquisitor's instruments of virtue activated, 21/20 Firestorm in a +1 chest, links: BCR, ICS, Conc, Ele focus, Spell echo my numbers are:
13484 damage per use, 3.51 casts per second, 73% CC, 432% CM.

With fyndel's dagger and jewels it would be at least 15k avg damage, which is far from being half of your damage.

If we also include the PvP damage formula, it brings the numbers even closer to each other relatively.

About the GIFs ahfack posted as comparsion: Fyndel's firestorm AoE does seem larger than Haunt's, didnt he use conc? Also haunt's FS doesn't seem to ignite at all, so I guess he was using Ele focus, while Fyndel's clearly ignited ahfack, so their setup in this example may differ in a way that indicates Fyndel's dps much slower. On another note Ahfack didn't seem to use any block, and Haunt's BCR seem to lack compared to fyndel, unless he has a BCR weapon swap, while Fyndel do use a BCR weapon as his main weapon, which also greatly affects dps against most targets.

Sorry that I continued this debate, but I think if we do it nicely it's all ok, I always like to go into details about things, and I'm happy to read your responses if any.

PS: Haunt, only 34% bcr? don't you have 20/20 BCR?

PS2: Everyone is welcome to offtopic in my thread, no problem!

also the another thing is that T1/T2 flat damage + T2/T3 spell damage wand gives better dps than that mirrored wand.(i tested with original brimstone song, implicit spell was updated) i tested myself. the difference is huge, especially after implicit buff for spell wands since that mirrored has an old implicit spell% value.

a decent(except flat damage X-Y, without any other T1, the rest was just T2, T3 stuff) non mirrored wand had 8% more dps than mirrored wand.

generally getting an item for spellcasters mirrored except amulet and shields are very very risky and unnecessary.

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

Sorry for offtopic but I can't hesitate to post as I am so excited to see that there's actually a pvp-setting in this game. I've been a pve throughout the years and have aquired some currency and want to try this game out(was a hugh fan of cod multiplayer). My favourite build I've ever played is my tri lightning warp totem, aof ranger and if possible I'd gladly remake that for pvp(autoaim is op *hint hint*). Anyone have any experience whatsoever with a build like that, or knowledgeable overall in pvp that could help me?

I can probably liqudate my gear and get my hands on atleast 1.5 stacks of exalts(not trying to brag, just have to say how much I can spend *a lot*). If this build isn't possible i'd want to make a summon skeleten and build a hugh army and once I got my souls for vaal skeleton i'll fill the arena with my skellies and they'll demolish anyone in their way, anyone got any experience with a similair build?

I know I can't beat everyone in this pvp-setting but I want to atleast be able to beat 9/10 dedicated pvpers so if there are any other builds you could suggest I am eager to hear about them.

Ps. How do I enable pvp-setting? Ds
Pss. Be aware, I was pro in cod multiplayer, so I'll aim to be the #1 player here too Dss

Love,
Tommie Nonamer

This man get's it, luv and miss yu Tummie.

Hahaha, Tommie. <3 you're the shit

Markusz, that's correct about haunt using ele focus and fyndel did not. However, haunt did not use con either. He's showed me before with con and the aoe is considerably smaller. Yeah, I wouldn't say double damage or anything, but it's definitely enough to matter. I have tried over and over to out-pot haunt's firestorm and I just can't fucking do it lol.

All good vibes here, guys!!

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Márkusz wrote:

Haunt I know you have a min-maxed build and I respect you, but I think fyndel's build is about as much min-maxed as yours. Lapiz said some overstatements, that's true, and you must have higher damage as LL and bigger investment into it but saying you deal double the damage of fyndel's is also exaggerating.

I did some quick tests on my Fireball character with Firestorm, because I also have similar gear level (my profile is open too, so check out):

I didn't swap any jewels, I only had 4 Rolling flames in, which already makes my tree suboptimal because of stretching for int nodes, so overall not too high level of damage investment either, just grabbing most crit nodes. With just an Anger aura on, inquisitor's instruments of virtue activated, 21/20 Firestorm in a +1 chest, links: BCR, ICS, Conc, Ele focus, Spell echo my numbers are:
13484 damage per use, 3.51 casts per second, 73% CC, 432% CM.

With fyndel's dagger and jewels it would be at least 15k avg damage, which is far from being half of your damage.

If we also include the PvP damage formula, it brings the numbers even closer to each other relatively.

About the GIFs ahfack posted as comparsion: Fyndel's firestorm AoE does seem larger than Haunt's, didnt he use conc? Also haunt's FS doesn't seem to ignite at all, so I guess he was using Ele focus, while Fyndel's clearly ignited ahfack, so their setup in this example may differ in a way that indicates Fyndel's dps much slower. On another note Ahfack didn't seem to use any block, and Haunt's BCR seem to lack compared to fyndel, unless he has a BCR weapon swap, while Fyndel do use a BCR weapon as his main weapon, which also greatly affects dps against most targets.

Sorry that I continued this debate, but I think if we do it nicely it's all ok, I always like to go into details about things, and I'm happy to read your responses if any.

PS: Haunt, only 34% bcr? don't you have 20/20 BCR?

PS2: Everyone is welcome to offtopic in my thread, no problem!

Your damage numbers are not bad at all i like the fact that you are able to reach that high crit numbers, i also appreciate the fact that you got into dept without throwing shit at me.

Double the damage is probably exagerated yes but it should be pretty close to that considering how ahfack can tank his firestorm. I did multiple tests with ahfack and everytime he couldnt even stand in it for 2 seconds and with fyndel he lasted more than 6 seconds.

Anyways back to facts and comparisons that you did, i will elaborate what i use more in dept just so you can compare yourself.

I dont usually share my links but i will do so for you markus because you are a good guy that likes to have more details in the discussions.

I use Firestorm ( 21/20 ), increased duration, spell echo, BCR ( 19/20.. explains why its at 34% ) elemental focus ( also explains why i dont ignite ) and last of all increased crit strikes.

So you can see that i do not make use of concentrated effect, the damage would even be higher if i would swap increased duration for it but the aoe would be way too small to have any control and especially in sarn arena... duration makes a huge factor about controling the space and being able to move without having to spam all the time, not counting the fact that conc would remove me a lot of aoe which terribly sucks with firestorm nowadays. Maybe it seems smaller because i'am not using the mtx.

If you remove concentrated effect from your setup the damage will be considerably lower, but remember that i'am low life ? so the 30% from pain attunement is already high enough so i dont need conc.

How much x-y fire damage does your firestorm have markusz ? wondering so i can compare that part too. Your crit chance is also pretty close to mine at 73 vs 79 even if i use a bad weapon according to you guys.

About my wand i bought it several years ago when ventor made it and trust me IT WAS the most GG spell caster item at the time and made great purpose for dominating the old meta. It still does an awesome job right now, 22% cast speed is not to be minimized with firestorm its extremely important to have a lot of cast speed with it. I also want to note that yes i would like to have 80% global crit implicit like daggers, but my crit chance is already pretty high at 80% so i dont think i need it that much, it would certainly help tho.

About the lack of bcr, i guess my damage makes up for that part because when it does hit it hits really hard. Where as a person dealing less damage wont hit as hard the moment it lands this leading to the need of more penetration to make sure every hit does hit. Again i would like having more BCR on the weapon, but i have to live with what i have considering how much i paid for the wand at the time.

@ rupunus, thanks for the comparison facts with the wand and dagger. I also want to bring back the fact that i bought the wand several years ago and there is no going back for me. Anyways there isnt only bad sides about the wand, pure % spell damage gives the possibilities to use ANY spell you desire to use. I would certainly not want x-y flat fire damage if i swap to glacial cascade for exemple it would be totally useless. With such dagger flat + sd you are stuck to one element once again, same if you have lightning flat on the dagger and desire to switch to firestorm for exemple, the lightning is totally useless there once again which kinda sucks... the good thing tho is it will still deal a bit of damage due to how inquisitor works...

Just want to make clear again that i never said fyndel's build sucks, it's just really different from mine and far from on the same level damage wise. If the gap would be that small there would be no reason for me to stay lowlife and stack it so much not with what i seen/saw overtime.

Some people like tankiness, i like more DPS but still being somewhat tanky. Let's not forget that i'am also able to reach 75/75 block and some dodge tru flask and 75% chaos resistances. I know 8K es is not a lot in this meta, hell you probably need 30k with the gif we saw from rupenus lmao... things were very different back then where 10k was MORE than enough, i actually hope it goes back to that stage.

Thanks.

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Rupenus wrote:

18.2k ES vs blast rain mines

18.2K ES vs burning arrow mines.

im not even lioneyes vision:

Working as intended.

Why shouldn't a bow build that can 1 shot also have access to traps that 1 shot. I mean 1 shot for damage numbers so high that even 18k es isn't enough to withstand it. Phew can't wait to queue up to PvP!!!!!

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MullaXul wrote:

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Rupenus wrote:

18.2k ES vs blast rain mines

18.2K ES vs burning arrow mines.

im not even lioneyes vision:

Working as intended.

Why shouldn't a bow build that can 1 shot also have access to traps that 1 shot. I mean 1 shot for damage numbers so high that even 18k es isn't enough to withstand it. Phew can't wait to queue up to PvP!!!!!

i love how you have opinion about everything while beeing so far away from current pvp scene. blade vortex deals more damage than i deal with 50ex, HoT builds do that with 14 GS jewels.

the thing is a bow build has NO CHANCE against 95% builds if you cant one shot people. no chance at all.
rangers lack defense, and they are not superior to other classes on movespeed anymore. all we have left is one shots, nothing more. take it from me, my 10 mirror gear cant even deal with 50ex builds.

So, without conc my avg dmg is 8245, X-Y is 1913-2891. I'll post numbers with proper jewels and tree sometimes. The dps difference between CI and LL with the same gear should be only the PA bonus and maybe one damage aura.

About the weapon, you should try to make a multimodded bcr dagger, they are rather cheap, you can craft one with only a few ex and it would make a good swap against tankier players.

About the added damage on weapon, while the inquisitor opness lasts the different type of damage is just as good as the element on the main skill, not missing out on penetration, and it is actually more useful than a matching one against ES players because that little amount could be just enough to chill / shock and for sure it ignites, stopping the recharge, so any element does good there.

About the ES amount, you not only have to think about rupenus' setup because it is also very much damage oriented, but simple non blockable skills currently in the meta like bear trap or thunder are dangerous for builds relying mainly on block, I can say from experience from my aegis guy, and also everyone's old favourite EA.

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Rupenus wrote:

i love how you have opinion about everything while beeing so far away from current pvp scene. blade vortex deals more damage than i deal with 50ex, HoT builds do that with 14 GS jewels.

the thing is a bow build has NO CHANCE against 95% builds if you cant one shot people. no chance at all.
rangers lack defense, and they are not superior to other classes on movespeed anymore. all we have left is one shots, nothing more. take it from me, my 10 mirror gear cant even deal with 50ex builds.

I insist that as a PvP community, to be healthy we need to keep up the drama, otherwise what's left of us, people who play matches ingame? EH. Let the man speak.

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Márkusz wrote:

I insist that as a PvP community, to be healthy we need to keep up the drama, otherwise what's left of us, people who play matches ingame? EH. Let the man speak.

They are people still playing this game other than the couple of dinosaurs who invested so much "time" that they can't leave anymore ?