Zerphi + EA is broken (proof of concept, 60k - 100k heal per second)

My setup goes for maximum tankiness, but I imagine if we take for example Lib's setup, she can get around 50k heal easily with sacrificing one support gem slot, 2 jewel sockets, 1 flask slot, 2 sockets outside of main attack, and some ring+ammy swapping around, which would be helpful against most people's builds.

No effective life lost because the loss of dropping BM is made up by MoM + mana gain implicits, but lower damage.

Most dps builds can swap to aim for oneshotting even 10k life tho, but if the opponent has dps it will be problematic.

Edit: Oh man, you started a thing, "perfectly balanced" is a risky thing to say, but I get your point, if we compare broken things to each other we can talk about "balance", but I would rather say they are on similar/higher/lower level to each other.

To reply your statement with casters you must mean self casters, as many skills trapped/mined do the wipe. For self casters there is BV for highest burst damage that this setup can't outheal either, but only for melee range. For a bit more normal skills there is Firestorm or Fireball that is comparable but I agree that bow skills seem more deadly.
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Last edited by Márkusz#4682 on Aug 8, 2016, 6:46:28 PM
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Márkusz wrote:

Edit: Oh man, you started a thing, "perfectly balanced" is a risky thing to say, but I get your point, if we compare broken things to each other we can talk about "balance", but I would rather say they are on similar/higher/lower level to each other.


You guys do realize that you are talking about builds involving hundreds if not thousands of exalts, multiple legacy items and some broken ass complex mechanisms that only maybe 5-10 players are willing to use.

And everyone wonder why pvp is not popular...
Last edited by IceDeal#5895 on Aug 8, 2016, 8:14:01 PM
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IceDeal wrote:


You guys do realize that you are talking about builds involving hundreds if not thousands of exalts, multiple legacy items and some broken ass complex mechanisms that only maybe 5-10 players are willing to use.

And everyone wonder why pvp is not popular...


As with every aspect of the game, there are people who take the time to make use of certain mechanics that may not be well known. And there are also builds that require a big pocket. These are not isolated only within pvp, they are found all over the forums.
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Last edited by DreamScythe#1384 on Aug 9, 2016, 1:26:37 AM
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hauntworld1 wrote:

Thank god i actually have flameblast to take care of people who abuse tanky mechanics to be close to unkillable.


Dont thank god yet since your flameblast wont 1shot 10-11k life+mana.

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hauntworld1 wrote:

Casters ? perfectly balanced compared to pathfinder bullshit imo, caster crit ? perfectly balanced as well... can you tell me which ''caster'' skill actually wipes out the entire meta with crit ? almost none if any. Which bow skill wipes out the entire meta with crit ? most of them


Fyndel's char with bvortex/firestorm is probably the best caster at the moemnt (18k ES, same damage numbers as you with 8k ES) and i dont think it has lost games to anything else except a bear trapper and... another caster which is firestorm (just because the skill is mechanically quite op and is good vs bvortex). Bows got nothing on that char for an example. Sooooo I guess it depends on what level of game play you are looking at. Perfectly balanced? For sure not.
Last edited by lapiz#7973 on Aug 9, 2016, 1:39:43 AM
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lapiz wrote:
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hauntworld1 wrote:

Thank god i actually have flameblast to take care of people who abuse tanky mechanics to be close to unkillable.


Dont thank god yet since your flameblast wont 1shot 10-11k life+mana.

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hauntworld1 wrote:

Casters ? perfectly balanced compared to pathfinder bullshit imo, caster crit ? perfectly balanced as well... can you tell me which ''caster'' skill actually wipes out the entire meta with crit ? almost none if any. Which bow skill wipes out the entire meta with crit ? most of them


Fyndel's char with bvortex/firestorm is probably the best caster at the moemnt (18k ES, same damage numbers as you with 8k ES) and i dont think it has lost games to anything else except a bear trapper and... another caster which is firestorm (just because the skill is mechanically quite op and is good vs bvortex). Bows got nothing on that char for an example. Sooooo I guess it depends on what level of game play you are looking at. Perfectly balanced? For sure not.


Perfectly balanced was a statement on the spot but relatively balanced compared to others seems more appropriate.

Aren't you supose to understand the game well lapiz ? how can you even state that fyndel with 18K es has the same amount of damage as me is blowing my mind.

18k es means a lot of investment into es nodes + ci and gear, lots of damage loss right there.

I have a tremendous amount of damage on my skills and i'am 100% sure/guaranteed that it exceeds fyndel's spell damage by a far amount... that's considering my current gear/gems and skill tree paths that i took plus being low life.

I dont even know what to say to be honest, terrible comparison a pve guy would have probably said this but coming from you and you should know by now that my caster is DPS maxed out, i have been working it for years already remember ? i literally cannot do more to upscale the damage on my build... just so you know.

My firestorm dps blows out fyndels firestorm iam even going to prove it to you...

Even shadowthefall bladevortex will outdps fyndel's i'am actually pretty sure on that too.

It's impossible to have more DPS than this on FS unless you have better gear which is also not possible for this type of build considering the items i have. Also have to remember that this is a rounded build with block and defenses, i dont just invest into dps or it could be even higher.

firestorm_dps
in eternal lab, 2 aura ( anger + hot ) + low life...

In short :

20k DPS

3.5k-5.2k fire damage

80% crit chance no power charges

500% crit multiplier

3.6 casts per second

Goodluck getting more firestorm dps than this...

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Last edited by hauntworld1#6496 on Aug 9, 2016, 5:53:04 AM
I think you got confused because fyndel swapped to different gear at some point.

Check out his profile: https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Alexlulz/characters

I remember he used a 500ish ES helmet with 950+ ES chest, and maybe good int rolls too, and also not dps gloves but ES, so the 18k ES was possible but im sure he doesnt have that many atm.

He is missing critmulti on amulet, but his dagger is better than haunt's mirrored wand. Shield might be also better than haunt's rare one, and +1 chest and helm enchant is also strong, so I guess he can have around the same dps as haunt on BV, not sure of FS tho.

Edit: he is also swapping between pathfinder and inquisitor.
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Last edited by Márkusz#4682 on Aug 9, 2016, 7:54:43 AM
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hauntworld1 wrote:
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lapiz wrote:
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hauntworld1 wrote:

Thank god i actually have flameblast to take care of people who abuse tanky mechanics to be close to unkillable.


Dont thank god yet since your flameblast wont 1shot 10-11k life+mana.

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hauntworld1 wrote:

Casters ? perfectly balanced compared to pathfinder bullshit imo, caster crit ? perfectly balanced as well... can you tell me which ''caster'' skill actually wipes out the entire meta with crit ? almost none if any. Which bow skill wipes out the entire meta with crit ? most of them


Fyndel's char with bvortex/firestorm is probably the best caster at the moemnt (18k ES, same damage numbers as you with 8k ES) and i dont think it has lost games to anything else except a bear trapper and... another caster which is firestorm (just because the skill is mechanically quite op and is good vs bvortex). Bows got nothing on that char for an example. Sooooo I guess it depends on what level of game play you are looking at. Perfectly balanced? For sure not.


Perfectly balanced was a statement on the spot but relatively balanced compared to others seems more appropriate.

Aren't you supose to understand the game well lapiz ? how can you even state that fyndel with 18K es has the same amount of damage as me is blowing my mind.

18k es means a lot of investment into es nodes + ci and gear, lots of damage loss right there.

I have a tremendous amount of damage on my skills and i'am 100% sure/guaranteed that it exceeds fyndel's spell damage by a far amount... that's considering my current gear/gems and skill tree paths that i took plus being low life.

I dont even know what to say to be honest, terrible comparison a pve guy would have probably said this but coming from you and you should know by now that my caster is DPS maxed out, i have been working it for years already remember ? i literally cannot do more to upscale the damage on my build... just so you know.

My firestorm dps blows out fyndels firestorm iam even going to prove it to you...

Even shadowthefall bladevortex will outdps fyndel's i'am actually pretty sure on that too.

It's impossible to have more DPS than this on FS unless you have better gear which is also not possible for this type of build considering the items i have. Also have to remember that this is a rounded build with block and defenses, i dont just invest into dps or it could be even higher.

firestorm_dps
in eternal lab, 2 aura ( anger + hot ) + low life...

In short :

20k DPS

3.5k-5.2k fire damage

80% crit chance no power charges

500% crit multiplier

3.6 casts per second

Goodluck getting more firestorm dps than this...

u can ask shadowthefall he has never ever won a single match as blade vortex mirror not even 1 (even testing settings) we can duel too if u like to see my bladevortex guy i am confident i wont lose and everything lapizzzz said is true hes the only person to have ever even touche me if u can trust someone then its him. sold my firestorm helmet so firestorm mirror wont happen but my bladevortex guy is better anyways
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Last edited by Fyndel#2106 on Aug 9, 2016, 9:38:51 AM
There's no point in testing, fighting, or even arguing over if blade vortex is stronger than any other spell. It by far is the most broken of self cast spells and any guy off the street with a vinktar and rumis can beat 99% of players with it. I can't believe there is still humble-brags being uttered or even comparisons being made about this subject.

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lapiz wrote:
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hauntworld1 wrote:

Thank god i actually have flameblast to take care of people who abuse tanky mechanics to be close to unkillable.


Dont thank god yet since your flameblast wont 1shot 10-11k life+mana.

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hauntworld1 wrote:

Casters ? perfectly balanced compared to pathfinder bullshit imo, caster crit ? perfectly balanced as well... can you tell me which ''caster'' skill actually wipes out the entire meta with crit ? almost none if any. Which bow skill wipes out the entire meta with crit ? most of them


Fyndel's char with bvortex/firestorm is probably the best caster at the moemnt (18k ES, same damage numbers as you with 8k ES) and i dont think it has lost games to anything else except a bear trapper and... another caster which is firestorm (just because the skill is mechanically quite op and is good vs bvortex). Bows got nothing on that char for an example. Sooooo I guess it depends on what level of game play you are looking at. Perfectly balanced? For sure not.


isnt BA arrows good enough for BV?

btw fyndel has like 20k ES if he uses tanky gear. i had 17K ES at lvl 92, using very similar tree of him. i did a BV build to see its weaknesses. 18K ES he has probably with that new +1 chest which is inferior to mine. :b
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Last edited by Rupenus#5905 on Aug 9, 2016, 11:16:46 AM
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Rupenus wrote:

isnt BA arrows good enough for BV?

btw fyndel has like 20k ES if he uses tanky gear. i had 17K ES at lvl 92, using very similar tree of him. i did a BV build to see its weaknesses. 18K ES he has probably with that new +1 chest which is inferior to mine. :b


I would imagine flame dash cwdt completely wrecks BA mines (if you can survive a single BA hit)? You get hit by one and then jump over the rest?

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