LAB - Give us hope or give us closure GGG

"

Pyrokar wrote:

Yes, because attracting new customers is always more expensive. Furthermore Poe is an old game by now, it is natural to start leaking players. If I were GGG I would try to slow that process as much as possible by trying to satisfy all existing customers.

Satisfying all existing customers in case of the lab seems to be adding an alternative ascension method without changing much of the lab. Thankfully there has existed a big thread with a lot of such suggestions for like half a year now.

Except doing that takes away from the whole design.

If I bitch that I don't like one of the new bosses and another small group of players bitch, lets say about the new gorge map, do you think they are going to change the lab because my buddies and I make constant post and complaints about the new boss?

No they won't really care because its one map, even if I have to do the map to unlock it or to get the benefits of doing it, the overall time spent to do it ins't very much. Not everything in the game needs to be equally fun or equally pleasing to do. Not everything needs to cater to the idea of what you view PoE to be. GGG made this very clear with 2.0 and they clarified it further 6 months ago (or so) when they released the lab.


Unfortunately, listing every shitty idea in a massive thread doesn't help. Not every idea is created equal and treating them equally as good options just further proves the people trying to change it can's grasp the reality of the situation or understand the design.

People claim that GGG has made no indication of closure on the lab, they have, you just refuse to see it. It has been said before, but they won't every say never anymore, because things can change, but I can assure you the lab isn't changing for 2.4, if it was we would have heard something by now. They don't want to limit themselves going forward, no designer wants to, but they also made it quite clear just complaining for the sake of stirring up shit isn't going to get the lab changed either.



BTW Poe starting leaking players when it tried harder and harder to appeal to new ones. Its also a good thing you aren't GGG as its clear you have no idea about what should and shouldn't be done.

"

Pyrokar wrote:

Yes, because attracting new customers is always more expensive. Furthermore Poe is an old game by now, it is natural to start leaking players. If I were GGG I would try to slow that process as much as possible by trying to satisfy all existing customers.

Satisfying all existing customers in case of the lab seems to be adding an alternative ascension method without changing much of the lab. Thankfully there has existed a big thread with a lot of such suggestions for like half a year now.

Yeah however 2.4 and 3.0 were already planned out at that time. And Chris did say, that they are not sure what happens after 3.1 but there are no plans up to that point. Which means a year from now, we might get another way to ascend, unless they somehow fit something into 3.0.

However since 3.0 might add a lot of new content it could make the lab easier, or to use more precise words, shorter.

The thing is that the Lab has no binary solution (other than removing it - which would be absurd), since people list many various reason why they think Lab "sucks" and what should be made to improve it.

For community issues in the past the solutions were much easier to decide:

* Give perma allocation or dont give it
* Nerf XP penalty, or dont nerf it
* Remove XP penalty, or not

Regarding Lab, there is no single "fix" that would please everybody and therefore the decision to even venture into "fixing" the Lab, is harder.

I don't get why a (very) vocal minority still complains about the lab with even going as far as having doomsday visions about the future of the game.

It's not really that hard and it's completely optional. No one is forced to run it.
The game is still playable just fine without ascending.
It's just a reward that makes you stronger, but some try to make it look like their chars are suddenly broken without getting those points.

This must be the only community that regularly complains about getting new content.

All three posters above me are wrong. I could easily list the reasons why, but i can't be bothered to, since I am tired of repeating the same things over and over again. Just replying to Emphasis since he seems to be the only reasonable one. A recent developer manifesto proves that GGG doesn't just stick to the schedule but can revisit things already done and improve them. It isn't logical to make a plan for a year or half a year and just stick with it ignoring problems that can arise.

Edit: goddamit someone else posted before this. Anyway I am too bored to quote. You know who I am referring to.

"

Pyrokar wrote:

All three posters above me are wrong. I could easily list the reasons why, but i can't be bothered to, since I am tired of repeating the same things over and over again. Just replying to Emphasis since he seems to be the only reasonable one. A recent developer manifesto proves that GGG doesn't just stick to the schedule but can revisit things already done and improve them. It isn't logical to make a plan for a year or half a year and just stick with it ignoring problems that can arise.

Edit: goddamit someone else posted before this. Anyway I am too bored to quote. You who I am referring to.

Yeah its fair easier to just say people are wrong then actually add anything of substance.

But I've learned to expect nothing of value from the holy trio of the lab haters.

Good. You should expect nothing else from me since i am not gonna respond to you anymore. You always miss the point and are more aggrevating than a certified troll, your post before this is a perfect example.

If Goetzjam was voted as the forum leader then I call for a recount.

"

Pyrokar wrote:

All three posters above me are wrong. I could easily list the reasons why, but i can't be bothered to, since I am tired of repeating the same things over and over again. Just replying to Emphasis since he seems to be the only reasonable one. A recent developer manifesto proves that GGG doesn't just stick to the schedule but can revisit things already done and improve them. It isn't logical to make a plan for a year or half a year and just stick with it ignoring problems that can arise.

Edit: goddamit someone else posted before this. Anyway I am too bored to quote. You know who I am referring to.

You are so wrong it is not even worth any second of my life beyond the ones I'm using to write the words I'm posting now to explain why you are wrong.

"

Aerinx wrote:

"

Pyrokar wrote:

All three posters above me are wrong. I could easily list the reasons why, but i can't be bothered to, since I am tired of repeating the same things over and over again. Just replying to Emphasis since he seems to be the only reasonable one. A recent developer manifesto proves that GGG doesn't just stick to the schedule but can revisit things already done and improve them. It isn't logical to make a plan for a year or half a year and just stick with it ignoring problems that can arise.

Edit: goddamit someone else posted before this. Anyway I am too bored to quote. You know who I am referring to.

You are so wrong it is not even worth any second of my life beyond the ones I'm using to write the words I'm posting now to explain why you are wrong.

Now, that is pretty funny and I really liked it. Thanks for making me laugh.

Goetjzam take notes. That's how a trolly but very nice response looks like.

Well done!