LAB - Give us hope or give us closure GGG

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Turtledove wrote:

Your continued use of insults and belittling of others, just shows your own desperation.

Where in that post is any sort of belittling or insult ? There isnt one. Someone making up statements is PURE desparation at an attempt to mislead others.

The fact that you find such a statement either belittling or insulting just proves my point further.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Your continued use of insults and belittling of others, just shows your own desperation.

Where in that post is any sort of belittling or insult ? There isnt one. Someone making up statements is PURE desparation at an attempt to mislead others.

The fact that you find such a statement either belittling or insulting just proves my point further.

Now turtle has went to just making shit up. Again he won't post the exact quote that Chris said because it would just prove how wrong he is in this case, he won't link the video with the time stamp where the discussion starts, because it will prove he is wrong.

Making up incorrect information @turtle isn't going to help you one bit.

Haha if they add traps to maps it would be hilarious :D Imagine long fun maps with slowing poison darts and awesome spikes that makes you wait

"Would love some clarity from GGG telling us if they have plans to at least remove ascendancy points from lab in future or have no plans to change lab in any way for at least 6 months."

I can't understand why GGG would keep silent about lab for such a long time.
interaction with the community and hearing what the players say was GGG's strong suit except for this issue.

at least, GGG can say they will keep ascendancy locked behind lab style gameplay, it would be fine even if I don't agree with their decision.

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selcuk wrote:

"Would love some clarity from GGG telling us if they have plans to at least remove ascendancy points from lab in future or have no plans to change lab in any way for at least 6 months."

Removing points from the Lab would invalidate a whole expansion. You can rest assured it wont happen.

At the very best they will offer an alternate way to ascend. If you'll be satisfied with that alternate way, is another question tho.

Also note that you are asking GGG to put aside their (rather tight) development schedule, to create new content that will maybe satisfy an impossible to determine % of players, who might return or might not leave in the future because of it. Would you put the money in that, if you were the business owner?

Yes, because attracting new customers is always more expensive. Furthermore Poe is an old game by now, it is natural to start leaking players. If I were GGG I would try to slow that process as much as possible by trying to satisfy all existing customers.

Satisfying all existing customers in case of the lab seems to be adding an alternative ascension method without changing much of the lab. Thankfully there has existed a big thread with a lot of such suggestions for like half a year now.

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Pyrokar wrote:

Yes, because attracting new customers is always more expensive. Furthermore Poe is an old game by now, it is natural to start leaking players. If I were GGG I would try to slow that process as much as possible by trying to satisfy all existing customers.

Satisfying all existing customers in case of the lab seems to be adding an alternative ascension method without changing much of the lab. Thankfully there has existed a big thread with a lot of such suggestions for like half a year now.

Except doing that takes away from the whole design.

If I bitch that I don't like one of the new bosses and another small group of players bitch, lets say about the new gorge map, do you think they are going to change the lab because my buddies and I make constant post and complaints about the new boss?

No they won't really care because its one map, even if I have to do the map to unlock it or to get the benefits of doing it, the overall time spent to do it ins't very much. Not everything in the game needs to be equally fun or equally pleasing to do. Not everything needs to cater to the idea of what you view PoE to be. GGG made this very clear with 2.0 and they clarified it further 6 months ago (or so) when they released the lab.


Unfortunately, listing every shitty idea in a massive thread doesn't help. Not every idea is created equal and treating them equally as good options just further proves the people trying to change it can's grasp the reality of the situation or understand the design.

People claim that GGG has made no indication of closure on the lab, they have, you just refuse to see it. It has been said before, but they won't every say never anymore, because things can change, but I can assure you the lab isn't changing for 2.4, if it was we would have heard something by now. They don't want to limit themselves going forward, no designer wants to, but they also made it quite clear just complaining for the sake of stirring up shit isn't going to get the lab changed either.



BTW Poe starting leaking players when it tried harder and harder to appeal to new ones. Its also a good thing you aren't GGG as its clear you have no idea about what should and shouldn't be done.

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Pyrokar wrote:

Yes, because attracting new customers is always more expensive. Furthermore Poe is an old game by now, it is natural to start leaking players. If I were GGG I would try to slow that process as much as possible by trying to satisfy all existing customers.

Satisfying all existing customers in case of the lab seems to be adding an alternative ascension method without changing much of the lab. Thankfully there has existed a big thread with a lot of such suggestions for like half a year now.

Yeah however 2.4 and 3.0 were already planned out at that time. And Chris did say, that they are not sure what happens after 3.1 but there are no plans up to that point. Which means a year from now, we might get another way to ascend, unless they somehow fit something into 3.0.

However since 3.0 might add a lot of new content it could make the lab easier, or to use more precise words, shorter.

The thing is that the Lab has no binary solution (other than removing it - which would be absurd), since people list many various reason why they think Lab "sucks" and what should be made to improve it.

For community issues in the past the solutions were much easier to decide:

* Give perma allocation or dont give it
* Nerf XP penalty, or dont nerf it
* Remove XP penalty, or not

Regarding Lab, there is no single "fix" that would please everybody and therefore the decision to even venture into "fixing" the Lab, is harder.

I don't get why a (very) vocal minority still complains about the lab with even going as far as having doomsday visions about the future of the game.

It's not really that hard and it's completely optional. No one is forced to run it.
The game is still playable just fine without ascending.
It's just a reward that makes you stronger, but some try to make it look like their chars are suddenly broken without getting those points.

This must be the only community that regularly complains about getting new content.