Feedback and Suggestions - LAB - Give us hope or give us closure GGG - Forum

" sidtherat wrote: 1) the only thing in the lab that can make a build incapable of completing it is Izaro - traps can be done by ANY and i repeat that - ANY character. people bringing traps as a limiting factor just need to L2P 2) lab is purposely tailored in a way to make people responsible for their characters. so they think and plan ahead knowing that no matter how CUTE and SWEET and UNIQUE their character is - there are certain tests it has to pass to progress. that are the game's rules. you do not set them, you play along or move on. Izaro is one of them. and it is a fair thing - good flasks alone are pretty much what is needed to kill him. no need for 8EC juggs or other FOTM crap. you just have to know what is going on around you. this creates an issue as people are not keen on the idea of 'being responsible for their decisions' and whine when their 'fantastic and unique' yet-another crit bow with 3.2k hp (because someone told them they HAVE TO cap crit chance) dies like a fruit fly.. Izaro mauling you time after time again is a clear sign to 'de-crapify' your build. game cannot be more clear with that message. 3) do not bring speed clearing into it. if you want to speed run the lab you make a speed running build. if you want to complete it - you can do it with any reasonable character. it is just test of your spatial awareness and non-zerging mentality (traps) and understanding of defences and mechanics (Izaro). people freak out over the time it takes non-speedrunners to clear the lab but at the same time are A-ok with melee having pretty much no chances vs uber atziri? or vs Vinktar's boss? 4) some chars like aurabots NEED to be carried. but they also never play alone so that is fair in my book. but ive cleared labs with pretty much any build archetype (And i do not use 'uber' gear, on the contrary in fact) and it is really a lot easier when one rolls flasks well, know what to fight and what to avoid and just plays balanced builds. I agree. As usual when talking just about the game Sidtherat is right on. When it comes to understanding others though, Sidtherat is usually incorrect. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!	Posted by Turtledove#4014 on Aug 21, 2016, 8:14:07 AM Quote this Post
" RutRoh wrote: Chris has admitted in podcasts that the community is split 50/50 over the Lab, What ? source ? go ahead, surprise me .... SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.	Posted by Fruz#6137 on Aug 21, 2016, 1:54:20 PM Quote this Post
" Fruz wrote: " RutRoh wrote: Chris has admitted in podcasts that the community is split 50/50 over the Lab, What ? source ? go ahead, surprise me .... There is no source lmao, he literally said "vocal minority of players dislike it" God the fucking desperation is hilarious. Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in! Labyrinth salt farm miner. "But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years.	Posted by Tin_Foil_Hat#0111 on Aug 21, 2016, 3:32:48 PM Quote this Post
" Tin_Foil_Hat wrote: " Fruz wrote: " RutRoh wrote: Chris has admitted in podcasts that the community is split 50/50 over the Lab, What ? source ? go ahead, surprise me .... There is no source lmao, he literally said "vocal minority of players dislike it" God the fucking desperation is hilarious. Your continued use of insults and belittling of others, just shows your own desperation. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!	Posted by Turtledove#4014 on Aug 21, 2016, 4:05:15 PM Quote this Post
" Turtledove wrote: Your continued use of insults and belittling of others, just shows your own desperation. Where in that post is any sort of belittling or insult ? There isnt one. Someone making up statements is PURE desparation at an attempt to mislead others. The fact that you find such a statement either belittling or insulting just proves my point further. Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in! Labyrinth salt farm miner. "But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years.	Posted by Tin_Foil_Hat#0111 on Aug 21, 2016, 4:23:51 PM Quote this Post
" Tin_Foil_Hat wrote: " Turtledove wrote: Your continued use of insults and belittling of others, just shows your own desperation. Where in that post is any sort of belittling or insult ? There isnt one. Someone making up statements is PURE desparation at an attempt to mislead others. The fact that you find such a statement either belittling or insulting just proves my point further. Now turtle has went to just making shit up. Again he won't post the exact quote that Chris said because it would just prove how wrong he is in this case, he won't link the video with the time stamp where the discussion starts, because it will prove he is wrong. Making up incorrect information @turtle isn't going to help you one bit. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285 FeelsBadMan Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.	Posted by goetzjam#3084 on Aug 21, 2016, 5:26:39 PM Quote this Post
Haha if they add traps to maps it would be hilarious :D Imagine long fun maps with slowing poison darts and awesome spikes that makes you wait	Posted by fesru#1591 on Aug 21, 2016, 6:00:47 PM Quote this Post
"Would love some clarity from GGG telling us if they have plans to at least remove ascendancy points from lab in future or have no plans to change lab in any way for at least 6 months." I can't understand why GGG would keep silent about lab for such a long time. interaction with the community and hearing what the players say was GGG's strong suit except for this issue. at least, GGG can say they will keep ascendancy locked behind lab style gameplay, it would be fine even if I don't agree with their decision.	Posted by selcuk#4682 on Aug 26, 2016, 5:47:45 AM Quote this Post
" selcuk wrote: "Would love some clarity from GGG telling us if they have plans to at least remove ascendancy points from lab in future or have no plans to change lab in any way for at least 6 months." Removing points from the Lab would invalidate a whole expansion. You can rest assured it wont happen. At the very best they will offer an alternate way to ascend. If you'll be satisfied with that alternate way, is another question tho. Also note that you are asking GGG to put aside their (rather tight) development schedule, to create new content that will maybe satisfy an impossible to determine % of players, who might return or might not leave in the future because of it. Would you put the money in that, if you were the business owner? When night falls She cloaks the world In impenetrable darkness Last edited by morbo#1824 on Aug 26, 2016, 7:01:14 AM	Posted by morbo#1824 on Aug 26, 2016, 7:00:47 AM Quote this Post
Yes, because attracting new customers is always more expensive. Furthermore Poe is an old game by now, it is natural to start leaking players. If I were GGG I would try to slow that process as much as possible by trying to satisfy all existing customers. Satisfying all existing customers in case of the lab seems to be adding an alternative ascension method without changing much of the lab. Thankfully there has existed a big thread with a lot of such suggestions for like half a year now. I'm a forum warrior, i was born to post, raised to defend my league. Now my post has been removed, chained and exiled by mods who Ban. Ban is my brother; i do not fear it. I see it in the eyes of men and beasts that i troll. It will take me to play the actual game when i am ready and i am not ready.	Posted by Pyrokar#6587 on Aug 26, 2016, 7:12:18 AM Quote this Post