ENOUGH with the Lab posts.

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AceNightfire wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Just so.

If anything, the massive amount of Lab hate is an equally massive compliment to GGG. Given how deeply the hatred runs, the only reason GGG hasn't bled out is that its team created a game good enough that other games can't compete with it.

People aren't walking away from this game because they love it, even with a wart as large and obnoxious as the Labyrinth. That's something, right there.

Sorry, but that's nonsense, at least partly. You may interpret these massive amounts of threads as a compliment, because it shows how many people care about the game that GGG has created, but it's certainly not a compliment about the lab content that was also created by GGG. It just shows that dozens of people think that the game goes a wrong direction and they fear that GGG will go further ahead that road and keep implementing stuff that is forced upon the player because they gate character progression behind that content. And the argument, that this game may suffer a playerbase drop is quite realistic, because right now, you at least only have to do the lab 4 times per character. When they add another thing like the lab with character progression content, you will have to do that too and then they add another update with completely new gameplay and so on and on... At some point, you are forced to do alot of things to progress with your character which is not in line with the classic poe gameplay (gameplay before ascendency) and I really dont want to spent 50% of my time doing things like the lab. THis is not the case now, but it can be in the future, if (like I said) GGG keeps going down that road.

And that's why people are so concerned about this. Just imagine GGG would announce pre-leveled lvl 60 characters for real money. How many threads do you think would pop up? How much hate? People would fear that this game becomes pay2win even more in the future. When players are concerned about how a game develops over the time, they tend to open many threads and that's what happens with the lab content right now. Gating character progression is just not a good idea to force players to do certain content, just because GGG is so proud of their new child (labyrinth)...

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You may interpret these massive amounts of threads as a compliment, because it shows how many people care about the game that GGG has created

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but it's certainly not a compliment about the lab content that was also created by GGG.

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Perq wrote:

I'm fully aware of that. I wouldn't go as far as saying that ALL of these people care about the game as much, but most of them surly do. Siochan obviously doesn't, so that is at least one person.

Not only is that highly unlikely, due to what I just said, it's also a personal attack and not a little rude. Please try to leave the malice out of your posts in the future.

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Sa_Re wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Perq wrote:

I'm fully aware of that. I wouldn't go as far as saying that ALL of these people care about the game as much, but most of them surly do. Siochan obviously doesn't, so that is at least one person.

Not only is that highly unlikely, due to what I just said, it's also a personal attack and not a little rude. Please try to leave the malice out of your posts in the future.

You don't seem like a shitposter. I'm surprised you defend that guy in all threads just because he got the same agenda.

His posts don't help your cause.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Sa_Re wrote:

You don't seem like a shitposter. I'm surprised you defend that guy in all threads just because he got the same agenda.

His posts don't help your cause.

Because I'm sick of the atmosphere in this forum, with all these personal attacks flying everywhere. So I've begun asking people to stop.

I don't care whether they have the same opinion as me or not; it's not relevant. A community is defined by its members, and its members are determined by the overall community standard. If we choose not to tolerate certain behaviors, they will slowly go away.

Forum moderation, as you probably are aware by now, is not effective. Peer pressure is.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Also, I'm not sure what your point was in your last quote. Are you trying to convince me that Siochan is malicious, and that therefore you don't deserve to be called out on your own behavior?

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Perq wrote:

If you want to be on the side of reason, you need to be fair. Sorry.

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ShaUrley wrote:

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Perq wrote:

I have an easy way to solve your problem Siochan. It of course uses your same flawless logic. Remove yourself from the game - no problem with the Lab.
Wooohoooo!

Do you think that anyone posting here against the Lab is wasting their time railing against a game they don't care about? They like the game, and probably like it a lot, and they don't want it spoiled (for them) to the point that they no longer want to play it. That's the problem with the Lab.

I'm fully aware of that. I wouldn't go as far as saying that ALL of these people care about the game as much, but most of them surly do. Siochan obviously doesn't, so that is at least one person.