Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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ShaUrley wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

There is no such thing as "buden of proof" here.
If Turte wants to have any impact on GGG and the community so that that the lab change, he should probably show that the list is significant = very few alt accounts.

Of course there are very few duplicated alt accounts in that list -- to claim otherwise is absurd. But a "proof" won't change anyone's mind. It will simply push the argument back to "many of the posters weren't really complaining about the lab", or "they were complaining about different aspects of the lab", or "what they were complaining about has since been fixed" or...

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Xavathos wrote:

Yes, and even then 700 people is a tiny number. Change the Lab and piss off the rest potentially. For what? So 700 people don't like the game, okay, play something else.

...as if those 700 posters (and the posters on other forums) weren't representative of a much larger group of players who don't like being forced to play the lab.

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Xavathos wrote:

GGG created this game in their vision, we are privileged to go along for the ride.

Yes, it's indeed true that we are being taken for a ride by GGG with the lab. ;)

It seems clear from a few offhand comments in some recent podcasts (and their otherwise deafening silence) that GGG is aware of the widespread unpopularity of the lab. Probably they don't require "proof" either. It is, of course, entirely up to them whether they change anything in 3.0 or (most likely) stick stubbornly to their vision.

GGG has, however, painted themselves into a corner by the way they released the lab with ascendancy classes. If they were to make changes now to how ascendancies are granted (and no one is asking to remove the lab entirely), it will certainly be at the expense of pissing off a couple of dozen posters on this forum, but I guess they will be able to go play something else. ;)

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The_Reporter wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Furthermore, I love your quest in this, considering you've easily spent multiple hours more doing this then you would have ever spent playing the lab on your characters in standard.

If the lab were at all enjoyable, I'm certain he would have. But the lab sucks.

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diablofdb wrote:

I just hope Act 5 will be full of Traps... Just traps over traps over traps. And then they add traps to act 1 to 4.

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goetzjam wrote:

Link me the recent comments that seems to indicate that its a "widespread issue or concern"

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Furthermore, all you can do is give your feedback, you can't convince people like me that the lab is bad anymore then I can convince you its good,

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so leave your feedback and move on until 3.0, which would be the soonest GGG would change the lab.

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ShaUrley wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Link me the recent comments that seems to indicate that its a "widespread issue or concern"

What I said is that comments such as the one you already saw here about players running the lab to get their "damn ascendancy points" suggest that GGG is aware of the issue.

I didn't say that GGG has made any statements about the popularity of the lab. They've maintain complete silence on that topic since soon after the lab was released (and GGG had responded to complaints about ES characters so they'd have an easier time in the lab to balance all their other disadvantages;)

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Furthermore, all you can do is give your feedback, you can't convince people like me that the lab is bad anymore then I can convince you its good,

I don't expect to convince anyone of my opinion that putting the ascendancy points behind an entirely new gameplay type was a dreadful design decision (never explained by GGG) that is widely disliked by the PoE player base (and even more so by the many players who quit the game as a result).

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so leave your feedback and move on until 3.0, which would be the soonest GGG would change the lab.

I'll continue to leave feedback on the lab whenever I feel like it until 3.0 comes out. GGG would surely like nothing better than to bury the topic. Probably after that I'll give up, since 3.0 is the only place in the foreseeable future where they could change things.

I understand you like the lab because you want the game to be challenging. I also want the game to be challenging (and as someone who prefers to play solo-self-found in the HC temp leagues, I'm not facerolling the game). My lab complaints aren't about that, they're about the type of gameplay it involves.