7L Blade Flurry - Ashrend, Gull & Flow Untethered - No Unrealistic Buffs/Abyssus -3mil DMG vs Shaper

what do you think about Rider subclass for this build? I mean, i can understand this concept of max aoe w/o vaal reave stacks. But im interested in Raider, can it be perfermed well with gear like this?
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streej wrote:
what do you think about Rider subclass for this build? I mean, i can understand this concept of max aoe w/o vaal reave stacks. But im interested in Raider, can it be perfermed well with gear like this?
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From your gears, I can see your build focus around endurance charges > Onslaught buff with Defiance and also scattering your Herald of Ash burning around lesser mobs on kill. However, there are few things you should know before going for Raider class.
Daresso Defiance will become a waste of your armor slot since Raider has % chance to gain Onslaught buff on kill, which make Deresso a bit useless aside from gaining Endurance Charge. The disadvantage of Deresso Defiance is that, you barely able to get any Endurance charge during boss fight. You really have to rush from your map kills to proceed into the boss room with your gained charges but it's pretty impractically in higher tier.

Same goes with Raider class. The buffs are all great and awesome but in most map such as those in T15, you barely get them up. Unless, you have an elaborate flask setup such as having multiple Silver Flask.
With Silver Flask, you can gain your Onslaught and Phasing from Raider class.
The reliance is there. Raider build with your setup is not flexible but doable depending on your play style.
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streej wrote:
what do you think about Rider subclass for this build? I mean, i can understand this concept of max aoe w/o vaal reave stacks. But im interested in Raider, can it be perfermed well with gear like this?
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From your gears, I can see your build focus around endurance charges > Onslaught buff with Defiance and also scattering your Herald of Ash burning around lesser mobs on kill. However, there are few things you should know before going for Raider class.
Daresso Defiance will become a waste of your armor slot since Raider has % chance to gain Onslaught buff on kill, which make Deresso a bit useless aside from gaining Endurance Charge. The disadvantage of Deresso Defiance is that, you barely able to get any Endurance charge during boss fight. You really have to rush from your map kills to proceed into the boss room with your gained charges but it's pretty impractically in higher tier.

Same goes with Raider class. The buffs are all great and awesome but in most map such as those in T15, you barely get them up. Unless, you have an elaborate flask setup such as having multiple Silver Flask.
With Silver Flask, you can gain your Onslaught and Phasing from Raider class.
The reliance is there. Raider build with your setup is not flexible but doable depending on your play style.


Just right now im playing berserker DW reave, and after i get my 90lv im OS myself almost every time when i meet reflect mob, doesnt matter phys or elementa...because with defaul mapping setup i have 640k dps. I want actually try higher content than t14 maps. Thats why im looking for some advices. The idea of Rider is 64% dodge permanently : Daresso's Defiance + Hinekora's Sight + 6% extra dodge from rider ascendancy + full acro circle from the tree. The goals are dodge + sustainable dps.
About flasks - i thought about 2x Silver flasks + 1 Quarts + ToH + 1 instant life flask.
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streej wrote:
Just right now im playing berserker DW reave, and after i get my 90lv im OS myself almost every time when i meet reflect mob, doesnt matter phys or elementa...because with defaul mapping setup i have 640k dps. I want actually try higher content than t14 maps. Thats why im looking for some advices. The idea of Rider is 64% dodge permanently : Daresso's Defiance + Hinekora's Sight + 6% extra dodge from rider ascendancy + full acro circle from the tree. The goals are dodge + sustainable dps.
About flasks - i thought about 2x Silver flasks + 1 Quarts + ToH + 1 instant life flask.


Reflect is an issue to you because you're using Abyssus. To survive high tier maps, start using other helm like Rat's Nest. High dodge chance is awesome but keeping a high dodge means your character suffers a lack of DMG mitigation. What kills your character often in high tier maps are the big DMG hit that pass through your Dodge.

It's best to keep a balance of Dodge, Evade and DMG mitigation. One Taste of Hate flask is not enough for a life character more or less than 5k HP. Moreover, in tense and long boss fight especially those beyond T14s, you've probably spammed all your Taste of Hate usage. What happen next is your character rely solely on Dodge which is not a good thing.
love what youre doing here; just weary about dual wield as opposed to using a shield

my set up for reave is with DS for super single target:



might roll into your version though and try the dual wield since i can only get like 200K with my version as raider
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iswirl wrote:
love what youre doing here; just weary about dual wield as opposed to using a shield

my set up for reave is with DS for super single target:

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might roll into your version though and try the dual wield since i can only get like 200K with my version as raider



Thanks for sharing iswirl. Your build must be built around defense a lot, more like a tanker build with Reave. Have you ever try a "Knockback" flask setup for your Voidheart? It's insanely good but too bad my build can't use that setup since it leans on "hit once, hit hard".
I've tried Shield version like your build before but the reduction of attack speed is really significant. I feel that, once you've been dual wield before, you can never sway away from it lol
yea; i have a TON of defense- I am trying to make 100 and I am not the most safe player- I yolo into packs wayyyyy too much; im my own worse enemy.. i can do anything in this game but the reave only half satisfy's my love of this build- i have the gear to make the 700K pdps but I get scared that I will die too much haha.. i generate all the charges and have fortify up all the time; you can see from my gem choices.. life is lackluster, however, at 4100.. still tho, ive like 55 evasion without a flask and near capped block with rumi.. sometimes, playing safe isn't as rewarding as knocking out atziri with one button push lol ps. why not use a deaths hand instead of the catalyst? mana from ST?

plus, i have my max block striker which can satisfy my defensive love
POE is life. POE is ♥.
Last edited by KonaLuvsPOE#3058 on Sep 22, 2016, 12:37:20 PM
btw, what do you think about Champion ascendancy? It looks nice for me: peramnent fortify + lightning coil for damage mitigation
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iswirl wrote:
yea; i have a TON of defense- I am trying to make 100 and I am not the most safe player- I yolo into packs wayyyyy too much; im my own worse enemy.. i can do anything in this game but the reave only half satisfy's my love of this build- i have the gear to make the 700K pdps but I get scared that I will die too much haha.. i generate all the charges and have fortify up all the time; you can see from my gem choices.. life is lackluster, however, at 4100.. still tho, ive like 55 evasion without a flask and near capped block with rumi.. sometimes, playing safe isn't as rewarding as knocking out atziri with one button push lol ps. why not use a deaths hand instead of the catalyst? mana from ST?

plus, i have my max block striker which can satisfy my defensive love
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4100 hp? So, the build utilizes the right side of the skill tree then. The lackluster of HP from that side really make Life build so hard to cope with. You build got so much space for improvement, Block build with lesser than 5000 hp really something should be looked into. Moreover, you are not using Lightning Coil which means anything passes your block might one shot you.
Last edited by Aalhamas#3470 on Feb 12, 2017, 6:57:24 PM
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streej wrote:
btw, what do you think about Champion ascendancy? It looks nice for me: peramnent fortify + lightning coil for damage mitigation


Champion is awesome as a defensive class. I played it before and in fact, it has higher DMG than Slayer.

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