[3.17] The Warchief | [Facebreaker] Ancestral Warchief | Uber Boss Farmer | Beginner -> Expert

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Milaan wrote:

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guggelhupf wrote:

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Milaan wrote:

Yeah kinda came to the same conclusion today. I was playing arround with PoB and Ngamahu's Flame today... every tried a Chieftain + Ngamahu + Warchief? PoB shows some really nice numbers.

i tried until i realised that the totems cant proc the molten balls from Ngamahu... ;)

What is your favorite Warchief Build btw? Facebreaker, Starforge or Frost? ... And which is the strongest? Im kinda torn between Facebreaker (because of 3 totems) and Starforge (because of the nice sword).

its the same like you. i love booth, the starforge and the facebreaker. i dont think you can cleary say wich is stronger, because booth have nice pro & con. but with the new changes to berserker i will prefer the facebreaker i think, because starforge doesnt allow the use of elemental dmg, so chieftain isnt realy a good alternative. i think its still viable ofc but you will loose some dmg compared to the old zerker



btw i will w8 until the Path of Building is updated to 3.2 and than start calculating with the new chieftain ;)

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guggelhupf wrote:

we get a lot more lifereg with chieftain, it will not be the same ofc, maybe a bit harder but i know many players who always played chieftain and never had problem in the lab. so i think we just have to train with the new ascendancy and than it will not be a huge difference

Thanks alot, I hope we can still get along with this.

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Xanthochroid wrote:

Offensive Benefits from NEW Chieftain (Ramako, Hinekora, Ngamahu, Arohongui):
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10% chance to cover enemies in ash when you or your totems hit them (equivalent to 20% more damage)

Wait...I think it only is "when YOU hit them" but not the totem??? If I right that mean we can only cover them in ash when we use other skills like leap slam (no damage because of 2 totems keystone)...

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09110212 wrote:

Wait...I think it only is "when YOU hit them" but not the totem??? If I right that mean we can only cover them in ash when we use other skills like leap slam (no damage because of 2 totems keystone)...

Damn, that hurts.

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Spasko wrote:

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09110212 wrote:

Wait...I think it only is "when YOU hit them" but not the totem??? If I right that mean we can only cover them in ash when we use other skills like leap slam (no damage because of 2 totems keystone)...

Damn, that hurts.

the good think is we play with shield cahrge anyway so its not that hard to proc this effect. And it last for 10s so you can fast shield charge in and out or through bosses if u need the dmg boost ;)

saw this on reddit, wich is good to know. so i would say "tukohama" is a no brainer and than we can choose between the more life reg focused one "Ramako" and the more leech focused one "Hinekora". we will see wich is oberall better for us but i think booth are a viable choice

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Wait...I think it only is "when YOU hit them" but not the totem??? If I right that mean we can only cover them in ash when we use other skills like leap slam (no damage because of 2 totems keystone)...

Doesn't say when we damage them though, so I think we should be fine applying the debuff.
For example, you can still apply curses when using ancestral bond, so I would assume we can also apply the ash.

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Xanthochroid wrote:

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Wait...I think it only is "when YOU hit them" but not the totem??? If I right that mean we can only cover them in ash when we use other skills like leap slam (no damage because of 2 totems keystone)...

Doesn't say when we damage them though, so I think we should be fine applying the debuff.
For example, you can still apply curses when using ancestral bond, so I would assume we can also apply the ash.

no its the same way like the actual "rite of ruin" works



because you never kill yourself, you have always 25% attack speed

and curses corruptions say "on hit" not "on your hit" ;)

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guggelhupf wrote:

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Xanthochroid wrote:

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Wait...I think it only is "when YOU hit them" but not the totem??? If I right that mean we can only cover them in ash when we use other skills like leap slam (no damage because of 2 totems keystone)...

Doesn't say when we damage them though, so I think we should be fine applying the debuff.
For example, you can still apply curses when using ancestral bond, so I would assume we can also apply the ash.

no its the same way like the actual "rite of ruin" works



because you never kill yourself, you have always 25% attack speed

and curses corruptions say "on hit" not "on your hit" ;)

I'm talking about Curse on Hit support, which is linked to your own skills, which works fine, as well as other on hit supports like Blind or PCoC (yeah you can crit with Ancestral Bond, it just does no damage.)

You can go and test yourself right now, just get Ancestral bond, and link CoH to like Bow Skill or something, and don't spawn any totems, the curse still gets applied with CoH.

I'm pretty sure we'll still be able to apply the ash, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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guggelhupf wrote:

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Xanthochroid wrote:

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Wait...I think it only is "when YOU hit them" but not the totem??? If I right that mean we can only cover them in ash when we use other skills like leap slam (no damage because of 2 totems keystone)...

Doesn't say when we damage them though, so I think we should be fine applying the debuff.
For example, you can still apply curses when using ancestral bond, so I would assume we can also apply the ash.

no its the same way like the actual "rite of ruin" works



because you never kill yourself, you have always 25% attack speed

and curses corruptions say "on hit" not "on your hit" ;)

From the wording used, I assume it's the same as using Elemental Overload with spell totems (or non-RT attack totem): they don't proc EO with their hits. You have to hit (and crit) by yourself to trigger EO.

So, basically, in order to cover the enemy in ashes you will have to use leap slam, cast an Orb of Storm, or any other "hit" skill, as long as you deal the hit.

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KaioNS wrote:

From the wording used, I assume it's the same as using Elemental Overload with spell totems (or non-RT attack totem): they don't proc EO with their hits. You have to hit (and crit) by yourself to trigger EO. So, basically, in order to cover the enemy in ashes you will have to use leap slam, cast an Orb of Storm, or any other "hit" skill, as long as you deal the hit.

This is my understanding as well, because as previously stated, you can apply curses and get Power Charge on Crit even with Ancestral bond by using self cast skills.

We can still hit, we just don't deal any damage.