Mechanical Questions Thread

Hi. I try to understand the whole process of receiving damage, so I have some questions.

According to wiki, damage values by source (phys/fire/cold/lightn/chaos) changes 3 times during receiving hit:

1) applying modifiers like "x% of physical damage taken as lightning damage"
2) damage mitigation by resistances and physical damage reduction
3) applying "damage taken" modifiers(flat, then increased/reduced, then more/less)

Now questions:

1) Is the order above right?
2) What about "increased/reduced damage taken from critical strikes" modifier? Where should i place it in the order above?
3) Damage after what step is used as base for calculation of shock/chill/freeze/ignite duration and for stun-or-not calculation?
4) Damage after what step is reflected?
5) Damage after what step is used as base for leeching mechanics?

Mechanical Question/Clarification involving the Deadeye's Powerful Precision Ascendancy (PP hereafter) and Pierce in general

Assumptions:
Pierce chance is stated to cap at 100%, the powerful precision ascendancy gives all projectiles 100% pierce at point of origin falling off as they travel. The ascendancy also gives crit chance equal to pierce chance.

Q:
1. The pierce from PP itself gives crit chance yes? So a falling CHC as projectile travels. Or is it only looking for pierce% in the tree and on gear? So this is crit chance not visible in tooltip.

2. Tornado Shot. Initial projectiles are intrinsically 100%, will gain crit but no more pierce from PP, but will not lose pierce as they travel. Submunitions rely on PP to pierce, these are considered to have originated at my bow with regards to travel, yes?

3. Picking up pierce chance on gear/support or in the tree effectively gives me a longer section of flight at 100% pierce and therefore 100% CHC, basically delaying the falloff? Or is the projectile calculated to be 100% (cap) at the moment of firing and then set on its merry unsupported way?

4.The previous question then makes me wonder when exactly my Drillneck takes a look at pierce and what number it's using. Any attack other than TS shows 15% pierce tooltip for me, and while I can obviously see PP working, I do wonder when exactly the pierce chance of the attack is 'read' for/by Drillneck. Hoping for moment of collision here.

5. My TS shows half the tooltip of my Burning Arrow, but I can see TS is infact significantly more powerful. Dont mind tooltip being funky, expected with such epic complex mechanics to build with, but would like to know if a lot of this is indeed invisible in tooltip just so i know its actually working behind the scene. Way I'm thinking my tooltip doesnt show PP pierce(can see it doesnt), crit from that or therefore Drillneck scaling since I dont have pierce until I fire. Does it allow for PointBlank effect in any way? Is the distance mechanic in there at all? You get where I'm going :)

Context:


edit: seem to have used CHC a lot, crit hit chance, think i've dragged that acronym from somewhere else.

I was wondering if the Chieftain ascendancy passive "Hinekora, Death's Fury" where it says "Damage Penetrates 10% Fire Resistance" and "1% of Damage dealt by your Totems is Leeched to you as Life" apply to Righteous Fire totems.

I am also wondering if the passive "Ngamahu, Flame's Advance" where it says "35% increased damage against Burning Enemies" applies to my Righteous Fire totems as well.

Thanks for any information!

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Vipermagi wrote:

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trympyrym2 wrote:

According to wiki, damage values by source (phys/fire/cold/lightn/chaos) changes 3 times during receiving hit:
1) applying modifiers like "x% of physical damage taken as lightning damage"
2) damage mitigation by resistances and physical damage reduction
3) applying "damage taken" modifiers(flat, then increased/reduced, then more/less)

1) Is the order above right?
2) What about "increased/reduced damage taken from critical strikes" modifier? Where should i place it in the order above?
3) Damage after what step is used as base for calculation of shock/chill/freeze/ignite duration and for stun-or-not calculation?
4) Damage after what step is reflected?
5) Damage after what step is used as base for leeching mechanics?

1. It's correct.
2. Not sure, but it doesn't really matter either, it can go anywhere and have the same effect.
3/4/5. It's all based on final Damage taken, naturally.

About 2. So strange answer. It DOES really matter. For example, it can affect or not "damage reduction from armor" calculation. Another example: it can affect resulting damage if this modifier acts with flat "damage taken" modifier( (x+y)×z not equals x×y+z). Question is still open.

About 1 and 3/4/5. I understood, thanks. But to get golden-bordered confirmation will be great.

Hi again. My next question is about evasion.

According to wiki, one can evade attacks (unless some specific cases like "Resolute Technique"), but one cannot evade spells.

But what about secondary damage? One cannot evade it, like spells? Or one can evade attack-based secondary(like "Explosive arrow")? Or there are other rules about it?

Tried searching the wiki, but could find an answer to the following:

How does the "Ascendance" suffix affect Diviner's Strongboxes and Arcanist's Strongboxes?

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Rhans wrote:

Does "Beacon Of Ruin" of Elementalist work with spell totems?

Couldn't find the answer for a day or two. I've just checked and it looks like the "Beacon Of Ruin" works will spell totems.