[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

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SonicPLD2 wrote:

Trolling ?! Yeah ?! How did you decide this ? based on what ?

Because you give no arguments and things that you say are definitely NOT truth. I mean this:

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SonicPLD2 wrote:

anyway as I said early - GGG killed the fun out of this build by making it impossible to play against some bosses even on the hyped super expensive version of the build with 11k ES..

I also play in Standard, i have 11.8k ES and high DPS (acc is public now, char Milirissa, you may have a look at it if you want to) and im wiping out the whole content including guardians and Shaper without any problems. And excuse me if i wasn't right about you, but if it's not a joke then you must be doing something wrong, the problem is definitely not in this build, and Kelvynn's vids prove this.
So, would you please make things clear and finally say what bosses you're having trouble with? And make your character public?

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SonicPLD2 wrote:

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Kelvynn wrote:

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SonicPLD2 wrote:

GGG killed the fun out of this build by making it impossible to play against some bosses even on the hyped super expensive version of the build with 11k ES..

What bosses are you having trouble with? I had no problems killing anything with 8.5k ES after 2 weeks in this league. The 2.6 video shows just the token 3 bosses, but the rest are not any different from the 2.5 video, especially if you have the gear similar to mine in that one.

Standard - i am never speaking about leagues.

So, what are you struggling with? If you are in Standard and have items similar to mine there (11k ES etc), you should be roflstomping everything just like in the 2.5 video. Nothing really changed in 2.6, especially in Standard with the 100% Pyre.

Feel free to make your char public and ask questions about particular encounters.

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Kelvynn wrote:

2. You can see the orange WM glyph on the mobs around you. Go to Dried Lake for a walk, it has the best mob density, you can see exactly how far your aura reaches.

3. Enfeeble is a life saver, especially against the bosses, even though they partially mitigate curses. Replacing it with Flammability will only result in more death.

4. You skipped the jewel socket near Vaal Pact, get that ASAP (Fertile Mind). Converting Dex and Str to Int is very important. You took Catalyse way too early but skipped Ancestral Knowledge, bad choice. You are 3 nodes away from Unwavering Stance, get it next and you won't get 'overwhelmed' (stunned?) a lot.

12% Black Sun is too low. Get a better one, or even use Doedre's Scorn if your Int is still under 1300 as I suspect it is. I hope you use CE against bosses, you aren't quite ready to MF in high tiers yet.

Your gloves are from some other CI build, but they are terrible for this one. Int is everything, get Int gloves. Lightning golem is useless with SR-CwC. If you can't color the gloves RRRG (the cheap and easy method has been linked several times in the last 10 pages here), at least use Chaos.

Your chest is also not good for this build. No Int = bad. 6L is cool though. At least craft 30 Int on it (Catarina).

And of course you'll need a better belt. But for lv 79 the rest of your gear is OK. You just lack a massive amount of Int because of the tree and gear issues mentioned above. And Int gives you ES and DPS/leech. Fix your Int and you will fix your problems.

Thank you very much for those helpful replies. I'm going to work to fix what I can. I realize the gloves aren't the best, and I didn't want to invest 300 jewelers into coloring gloves I will eventually replace, but I am just not seeing better ones I can afford right now. Same goes for Black Sun Crest. Yes, I have less than 1300 int, I have about 1k. I am using Doedre's Scorn as you suggested instead.
Can I ask three more questions please?

a.) Is 1300 int the breakpoint when I should forget the Scorn and go instead for the better Crest, when I can afford it?
b.) With a level 20 Blasphemy (with Scorn bonus) but without quality yet, my WM-aura still feels point blank. Without investing in too much chroms for recoloring and self-testing, may I ask your expert advice? What about having Temp Chains or Enfeeble in the Blasphemy slot and WM in the CwDT? (Since I have a 6L, theoretically I could do all 3 in CwdT and run another aura? Or is that silly?)
c.) My previous question with Enfeeble is related to my question b here: Since my leech is so good and my only danger is getting one-shotted, Enfeeble in CwDT on those rare rippy occasions feels weird because I need to get hit to have it activate, and on the rare occasion when the trash is already dead there's nothing left to hit me and cause Enfeeble to activate except for the massive crushing killing blow. That's life?
d.) As long as I can leech, I seem to have no problems (even with my suboptimal setup) in the lower- mid-level maps I've been running so far -- but when I can't leech off of anything, I die with my low ES. I'm probably just not used to Vaal Pact. Until I can find better ways, do you have any tips for Lab and Traps? I can't leech there, cannot regenerate, and am not even sure which flasks to take for that.

Thank you very much!

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onomastikon wrote:

a.) Is 1300 int the breakpoint when I should forget the Scorn and go instead for the better Crest, when I can afford it?
b.) With a level 20 Blasphemy (with Scorn bonus) but without quality yet, my WM-aura still feels point blank. Without investing in too much chroms for recoloring and self-testing, may I ask your expert advice? What about having Temp Chains or Enfeeble in the Blasphemy slot and WM in the CwDT? (Since I have a 6L, theoretically I could do all 3 in CwdT and run another aura? Or is that silly?)
c.) My previous question with Enfeeble is related to my question b here: Since my leech is so good and my only danger is getting one-shotted, Enfeeble in CwDT on those rare rippy occasions feels weird because I need to get hit to have it activate, and on the rare occasion when the trash is already dead there's nothing left to hit me and cause Enfeeble to activate except for the massive crushing killing blow. That's life?
d.) As long as I can leech, I seem to have no problems (even with my suboptimal setup) in the lower- mid-level maps I've been running so far -- but when I can't leech off of anything, I die with my low ES. I'm probably just not used to Vaal Pact. Until I can find better ways, do you have any tips for Lab and Traps? I can't leech there, cannot regenerate, and am not even sure which flasks to take for that

a) Yes.

b) I have no idea why your Blasphemy feels 'point blank'. It's lv 18, that should be good enough. Are you perhaps trying to range kill instead of getting close enough to the target? And no, switching WM to CWDT is not a good idea. That means half of your ES leech and all of your mana leech triggering only after you get hit.

c) Running Enfeeble as an aura will leave you unprotected against range attackers. You mentioned having 6k ES. Very few things can 1-shot you, and most of those you should be avoiding anyway.

d) You probably die to getting stunned, not 'low ES'. Nothing in low-med tier maps can 1-shot you with 6k ES. Unwavering Stance will fix that problem.

Lab traps issue is not specific to this build, it's the same for all CI characters. You just need to navigate the traps in less time than they take all of your ES. Use Quicksilver potions. Learn the traps, they ALL have a safe way of getting thru them even without potions. Use movement skills. It's a matter of experience, you'll learn how to do the Lab as CI soon enough if you practice.

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Kelvynn wrote:

a) Yes.

b) I have no idea why your Blasphemy feels 'point blank'. It's lv 18, that should be good enough. Are you perhaps trying to range kill instead of getting close enough to the target? And no, switching WM to CWDT is not a good idea. That means half of your ES leech and all of your mana leech triggering only after you get hit.

c) Running Enfeeble as an aura will leave you unprotected against range attackers. You mentioned having 6k ES. Very few things can 1-shot you, and most of those you should be avoiding anyway.

d) You probably die to getting stunned, not 'low ES'. Nothing in low-med tier maps can 1-shot you with 6k ES. Unwavering Stance will fix that problem.

Lab traps issue is not specific to this build, it's the same for all CI characters. You just need to navigate the traps in less time than they take all of your ES. Use Quicksilver potions. Learn the traps, they ALL have a safe way of getting thru them even without potions. Use movement skills. It's a matter of experience, you'll learn how to do the Lab as CI soon enough if you practice.

Ok great, Thanks tons.
I went ahead an specced out of a couple of resist nodes and got the missing jewel and Unwavering, that is really a lot better.
Until I get a significant upgrade, was testing for myself on lower-level maps to make up for slightly subpar resistances, so I went ahead and put all 3 curses on CWDT to use Purity of Elements -- using a Vertix I got for 10c and thru the +1 gems now I'm almost entirely Ele Weakness capped, have way more mana (thanks to slot free for Enlighten), and am loving it even more. I don't really notice yet WM not proccing automatically through blasphemy; it feels good so far but of course I will test more and on harder content. I feel slightly more flexible. Have you tested it and not liked it? In any case, really loving this build, thanks!

3 last questions:

1. Is Controlled Destruction frowned upon? couldn't this work nicely too on maps with less aoe instead of Conc Effect?
2. The leech from the Life Leech Support gem continues to leech for us for the duration of the icestorm (even if we are not holding down our scorching ray and firing icestorm, but, say, dodging something or casting an Orb) -- right?
3. What counts as "using" a lightning skill for Mastermind of Discord? Do I have to activate it myself (self-cast the Orb) or does the CwdT: Ball Lightning also count? I dont seem to see any icon in my top-left hud bar to indicate when my Mastermind has procced, maybe I am missing something?

THANK YOU!

Hi!, firstly i must say thank you for making this guide, i have fun using it!, its my first time playing PoE and i dunno what to do before seeing this build :)

can you check my character and suggest something for improvement? and i want to ask , it is better to use rare jewels or use izaro turmoil? are my rare jewel are good /?

thanks!

Just hit lv95 and rolled a Minotaur Map with -9% maximum player resistances and Monster´s Skills Chain 2 additional times, forgot a Topaz Flask...

T16 Minotaur Map

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onomastikon wrote:

Until I get a significant upgrade, was testing for myself on lower-level maps to make up for slightly subpar resistances, so I went ahead and put all 3 curses on CWDT to use Purity of Elements -- using a Vertix I got for 10c and thru the +1 gems now I'm almost entirely Ele Weakness capped, have way more mana (thanks to slot free for Enlighten), and am loving it even more.

Vertex is not an Int helmet! You need to understand the importance of Int for this build. Please re-read the Build Theory section.

You can delegate all 3 curses to Orb of Storms and use a Purity aura, it's described at the start of the Boss Guide. It will slow you down but it's a viable way of playing and it's used against the top bosses.

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I don't really notice yet WM not proccing automatically through blasphemy; it feels good so far but of course I will test more and on harder content. I feel slightly more flexible. Have you tested it and not liked it? In any case, really loving this build, thanks!

You are currently using WM with CWDT Ball Lightning, so it procs less often. With Blasphemy you should be able to see the orange glyph on all mobs around you easily. If you can't notice it somehow, try recording the game and watching it back. You'll see it.

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3 last questions:

1. Is Controlled Destruction frowned upon? couldn't this work nicely too on maps with less aoe instead of Conc Effect?
2. The leech from the Life Leech Support gem continues to leech for us for the duration of the icestorm (even if we are not holding down our scorching ray and firing icestorm, but, say, dodging something or casting an Orb) -- right?
3. What counts as "using" a lightning skill for Mastermind of Discord? Do I have to activate it myself (self-cast the Orb) or does the CwdT: Ball Lightning also count? I dont seem to see any icon in my top-left hud bar to indicate when my Mastermind has procced, maybe I am missing something?

1. CD is inferior to CE and EF. Use CE against bosses. After the AoE changes it's not too small radius even for trash clearing, but you may choose EF for clearing. We just don't have a socket for CD anymore after the Pyre nerf.

2. Yes.

3. Mastermind is activated by using a lightning skill manually. CWDT procs don't count. It doesn't have a buff icon, you are confusing it with Elemental Overload which is also procced by the Orb.

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kazetsubaki wrote:

can you check my character and suggest something for improvement? and i want to ask , it is better to use rare jewels or use izaro turmoil? are my rare jewel are good /?

Your rare jewels are OK. Generally, if you have rares with 40+ value (see Gear-Jewels) that include Int mods, you don't need Izaro's.

Your gloves need an upgrade, shouldn't be too hard to find similar ones with more ES. And perhaps more ES on the chest, but that can be expensive.

Weird gems in the boots, not sure what's going on there, Lightning golem is useless. Uncoupled Flame and Ice golems give you double Ice when you take damage and you have to cast Flame manually, that's not good. Use the new method linked here recently to color your boots RRRG and put CWDT-IC-golems there.

Other than that you look fine for lv 85 and should have no trouble doing everything up to T15 and start farming T16 with easy mods.

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redix27 wrote:

Just hit lv95 and rolled a Minotaur Map with -9% maximum player resistances and Monster´s Skills Chain 2 additional times, forgot a Topaz Flask...

T16 Minotaur Map

Spoiler

https://youtu.be/UM2-0D1uQUw

Was a scary moment there when you stood between the Tesla coils, I thought you were going to RIP when they'd go active. )) With 10k ES you don't really need extra lightning res against Mino even with -maxres. Only 30% of his dmg is lightning, and he doesn't hit all that hard. Vulnerability is the worst mod that can happen there. Keep Fortify up all the time. Need to watch for Shock (his Sweep attack shocks) and use a grounding potion.

thanks for the reply!

i'm still struggling for get the RRRG color for boots, i can't find the method you said , but i'll use helmet for the RRRG atm till i can get RRRG on boots.

i'll try to upgrade my gears if i can!

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kazetsubaki wrote:

thanks for the reply!

i'm still struggling for get the RRRG color for boots, i can't find the method you said , but i'll use helmet for the RRRG atm till i can get RRRG on boots.

i'll try to upgrade my gears if i can!

Method is pretty simple on Vorici's workbench:

1) You do "two sockets" (cost 1 jeweler)
1a) If they're already red fine, if not go to 2)
2) You do "At least two red sockets" (cost 25 chromes)
3) You do "three sockets" (cost 3 jewelers)
3a) If third socket is red or green then fine - go to 4) otherwise do again "two sockets" (colors will be preserved) and go to 3) -> repeat until you'll get red or green
4) You do "four sockets" (cost 10 jewelers)
4a) If fourth socket is the remaining color - fine, you're done otherwise go to 3) and again go to 4) - repeat until you get color you need.

End of story.