When Chris says that lab haters are a minority, how right is he?

People who dislike the lab/trials are indeed just a vocal minority.


49% shout and bawl about the lab.

51% are playing Overwatch.

Statistics, they can work wonders for your cause.

I actually like the lab, but when u have 1 chance at the uber lab per frag piece and u get freaking disconnected and loose it, that part pisses me off.

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TriniGamer wrote:

^ yeah except that D3 has no trading, builds are dog shit and you are geared to the teeth for playing for just 12 minutes.

Even in D3, getting the GG stuff takes a while. Sure, you get stuff that lets you run T10 / G60+ real fast. So what? PoE is not different. Once you hit Merc A4, you grind some Dried Lake, overlevel the Merc lab and after that it is really easy. Especially with trading, getting the items for your build is even easier in this game.

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TriniGamer wrote:

Your logic about a game sells most copies hence make it superior to another game is a very much dog shit logic. Because we all know Justin Bieber has like the best music nowadays or twilight is like the best movie ever.

I never said it is superior. I never said it is better just because it sold more copies. What I said was that the game actually did good despite people like you claiming the opposite. And to be honest, it still does good today. At the start of a season there are plenty people to play with and then after a few weeks it falls off. Again, PoE is not different in that aspect.

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not really in the mood for arguing,but do you actually play diablo 3?

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Crimnór wrote:

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TriniGamer wrote:

^ yeah except that D3 has no trading, builds are dog shit and you are geared to the teeth for playing for just 12 minutes.

Even in D3, getting the GG stuff takes a while. Sure, you get stuff that lets you run T10 / G60+ real fast. So what? PoE is not different. Once you hit Merc A4, you grind some Dried Lake, overlevel the Merc lab and after that it is really easy. Especially with trading, getting the items for your build is even easier in this game.

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TriniGamer wrote:

Your logic about a game sells most copies hence make it superior to another game is a very much dog shit logic. Because we all know Justin Bieber has like the best music nowadays or twilight is like the best movie ever.

I never said it is superior. I never said it is better just because it sold more copies. What I said was that the game actually did good despite people like you claiming the opposite. And to be honest, it still does good today. At the start of a season there are plenty people to play with and then after a few weeks it falls off. Again, PoE is not different in that aspect.

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Firstly I have reported your post.

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What has to be the dumbest most idiotic thing is that people can compare a Console Arcade shit game for COD and Madden 2016 consumers to an actual PC exclusive game like POE it staggers the sane imagination as to how anyone can make such an idiotic statement like D3 is even remotely close to POE.

Thats as idiotic as comparing COD to Arma 3. One is for 10 year olds the other is for people who can actually shoot a bullet in a real life military shooting simulator that the US Army actually uses.

Comparing D3 to POE is like comparing a Donkey Cart driver to a Airforce Pilot. Or a Latrine to a toilet.

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Romulas19 wrote:

I actually like the lab, but when u have 1 chance at the uber lab per frag piece and u get freaking disconnected and loose it, that part pisses me off.

Gotta admit that this is pretty frustrating. Rerolling it, while it costs you nothing (apart from time) isn't that bad. Losing the map item is kinda bad, tho.

Also, while Merc Lab can be done by pretty much any build (sooner or later), Uber Izaro is kinda terrible in that regard. You either have a build that is good against him or you struggle.

One of the stupid designs is him having one pool of hp for all three fights. Elemental statuses work bad, stun doesn't work at all. And the most idiotic of all is the way Cull works (hello OP as fuck Slayer) - it allows you to skip 2/3 of the most difficult fight. GGG, why?!

It leads to retarded situations, in which I struggle with Uber Izaro at level 90, having quite a bit of good gear (yet using Shock as my main mechanic, and since Izaro's hp is retarded for some reason, I can never Shock him... even with 250% increased Shock Duration - gut design), being able to clear Tier 15 maps, with rippy mods, but my friend who is playing Slayer, done Izaro on level 77... :DDD

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Casual_Ascent wrote:

Perq having a change of tune. Interesting development...

Not really, tho. Never said anything about Uber Bizarroo. :P Traps are still fine, all the dungeon itself is fine (and doable by pretty much any build). Problems are: Argus and Izaro himself (as I said). Merciless Izaro is not as hard, too, so it remains in "ok" area. Pretty sure you could do him with things like Summon Skeletons, or the like.

Be mindful that I'm not blindly liking anything Lab related. If you've got that impression, it might be because you are hateful anything Lab related. :v

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Perq wrote:

One of the stupid designs is him having one pool of hp for all three fights. Elemental statuses work bad, stun doesn't work at all. And the most idiotic of all is the way Cull works (hello OP as fuck Slayer) - it allows you to skip 2/3 of the most difficult fight. GGG, why?!

Kinda, yes. There's no reason he couldn't just regen his life bar between fight stages like Malachai does, it's actually more strange that Izaro doesn't.

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Perq wrote:

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Romulas19 wrote:

I actually like the lab, but when u have 1 chance at the uber lab per frag piece and u get freaking disconnected and loose it, that part pisses me off.

Gotta admit that this is pretty frustrating. Rerolling it, while it costs you nothing (apart from time) isn't that bad. Losing the map item is kinda bad, tho.

Also, while Merc Lab can be done by pretty much any build (sooner or later), Uber Izaro is kinda terrible in that regard. You either have a build that is good against him or you struggle.

I dont think as you, that Merc Lab can be done by pretty much any build, maybe by you it can be done, but by everyone as even Merc Izaro do such a HUGE physical damage and still same hard. With excellent skill and experience with Izaro, maybe 70% could have done Merc Lab, but not all builds.

Also Lab design and Izaro/Argus mechanic just out of PoE normal design, its their own game thing that added to PoE.

I think main problem are their damage to players and players defense (yes, both in same time). GGG just done it that way for some reason and think its fine, no its not fine at all and very frustrated to most of players.

I dont believe in GGG and that GGG will change it any time soon.

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TreeOfDead wrote:

With excellent skill and experience with Izaro, maybe 70% could have done Merc Lab, but not all builds.

Any mid-map capable build in the hands of a decent player should be able to clear merciless labyrinth with no major issues, and pretty much any build that makes sense is mid-map capable these days.

Especially if you're in no hurry and wait for an easy lab day.