When Chris says that lab haters are a minority, how right is he?

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Sexcalibure wrote:

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phrazz wrote:

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Isdp wrote:

with no proofs

And don't talk about GGG and proof in the same sentence. They are the ONLY ones sitting on proof. They HAVE the data. All you have, is a 25 page thread where people CHOOSE to read, CHOOSE what to write and contains ~80% trolling.

1) Sure GGG has data... But none about if people like lab or not. They only have runs. You can have the data of somebody going to work 300 days a year but you will never know if he likes it or not if you don't ask him

2) saying the opposite clan is made of trolls is such a good argument. This was used during the inquisition as heretics and is used by Muslim extremists as infidels. Good job you just placed yourself in a very select group of worthy people

First, to work is something you have to do. Living isn't free. Why the heck would someone run the lab more than once if they do not like it, or think it's worth the rewards? And IF it's worth the rewards, it might work as intended?

Second, I didn't say anyone specific sides were made of trolls. I just said the thread contains trolls, the polls contain trolls and the forum contains trolls - as making MOST statistics from the forum biased.

But what the hell, keep putting words in my mouth, and bring up stupid work-comparisons and see if it will take the thread anywhere.

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Isdp wrote:

Same happened with PVP.
Took 'em one year to understand they spend ressources without return. .

Did they ever say that a minority hated PvP or give any data on it's success? I don't remember them saying people liked it. Which says to me that when people don't like something, GGG ignores it instead of saying anything about how many people like or hate it.

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Ceri wrote:

What people should know is that when something upsets them with a game, they very rarely go into a public forum and give feedback on why they're unhappy. The vast, overwhelming majority of disgruntled players simply stop playing. This is a well-known fact in all industries. Generally there is a very vocal minority, but most people just stop without a word. Human nature.
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While I don't disagree that people just quit without coming to the forum, you ignore that even more people that are happy don't come to the forum to express their happiness. If number of people silently quitting means anything, then number of people silently continuing to play the game must mean something too.

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mark1030 wrote:

If number of people silently quitting means anything, then number of people silently continuing to play the game must mean something too.

Hah! An unknown number of unknown people doing unknown things for unknown reasons. That leaves enough empty space to project anything in there. Anything at all. You can put every argument in this thread in there and still have space.

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mark1030 wrote:

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Isdp wrote:

Same happened with PVP.
Took 'em one year to understand they spend ressources without return. .

Did they ever say that a minority hated PvP or give any data on it's success? I don't remember them saying people liked it. Which says to me that when people don't like something, GGG ignores it instead of saying anything about how many people like or hate it.

Umm ok.

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Chris wrote:

Most importantly, we made a big space in our news and talked about PvP a lot. Upon releasing the update last month, PvP got the surge it needed to become a part of the game that we were proud of. We congratulated winners, promoted PvP events and featured a PvP build in this week's Build of the Week.

While PvP may never be the primary way that most people play PoE, we're very pleased with the growth of its community and are confident that it'll continue to grow, especially as Season Two takes place in challenge leagues where the playing field is more level.

LOL

Less than 1000 even tried it..More than a third of em got 1 point... they must have really enjoyed it, great success!!! " very pleased". Kinda like how most play through the lab once for points and then rid themselves of that gimmicky bullshit.

Must be nice having such low standards

https://www.pathofexile.com/seasons/pvp-ladder/season/USPvPSeason2

i will probably do it only once for the points then ill resell the lab item

I demand proof that you have proof that they have proof.

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TheWretch wrote:

Less than 1000 even tried it..More than a third of em got 1 point... they must have really enjoyed it, great success!!! " very pleased". Kinda like how most play through the lab once for points and then rid themselves of that gimmicky bullshit.

Must be nice having such low standards

https://www.pathofexile.com/seasons/pvp-ladder/season/USPvPSeason2

Good news for you then. Not long after that, they dropped PvP like a hot fucking potato when participation did not increase in challenge leagues.

Since the argument seems to be pro-lab folks have no real opinion on the mechanics. Here are mine.

Izaro is the best boss fight in the game. Even way overleveled you have to be careful of being hit by him and the goddess together, especially if he is buffed through your actions. His voice acting is suberb throughout the zone and in the fight. It is nice that he changes a bit every day. I loved seeing people who couldn't predict and dodge his wind slash getting rekt. I like the treasure key mechanic a great deal, and Argus that goes with it. Popping a currency chest feels great. I'd imagine in a higher tier version popping a map version with be a welcome consolation prize.

I love that dying is especially punishing, though I feel very badly for people who had to deal with the server instability in March. That of course can't happen again next weekend. Nothing makes people quit an online game faster than servers booting you, and I'd imagine my hardcore bros would quit even faster.

Traps through a nice changeup into the game. I love that some combinations are 100% untankable, forcing people to not derp for even for 10 seconds here and there.
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Silver doors are generally a waste of time. One gold door is ok. 3 gold doors are AIDS.

Enchantments are meh. I would never grind for one unless the layout is fast with no gold doors. I will likely largely ignore their existence.

I am for the changes to the trials though sad to see that catacombs and crypt will become largely irrelevant again.

The music in the lab is the best track in the game.

Only reason I didn't like the Lab was the low monster level and no way to control helm enchants.

But they corrected a part of that, so hooray! Looking forward to running it more in 2.3, especially if the prophecies affect the labyrinth in some way also.

Still wish if the enchanting process weighted more towards enchant of gems socketed inside the helm.

couldnt care less what ppl think here fact is if i keep making products the customer dislikes my revenue goes down

buisness 1 o 1

if he is stubborn and doesnt change it to protect his creation let him ....sooner or later he will be forced to change it or its back to selling d2 duped items

once the reviews come in on gameing sites.....was the same with desyc

look what happened to pvp its basicly a nobrainer that the lab will change