Open Letter to Chris Wilson (on making the labyrinth more inclusive)

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Fruz wrote:
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gibbousmoon wrote:
Hi Chris,

I'd like to address something you said in your May 22nd interview. I'm sending this to you personally, but I'm posting it in the feedback forum ("Open Letter to Chris Wilson") as well [...]

If that means that you sent him an e-mail directly .... It's probably a very bad start ( as constructive as the content of it may be ).


I disagree.
Wash your hands, Exile!
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gibbousmoon wrote:
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Fruz wrote:
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gibbousmoon wrote:
Hi Chris,

I'd like to address something you said in your May 22nd interview. I'm sending this to you personally, but I'm posting it in the feedback forum ("Open Letter to Chris Wilson") as well [...]

If that means that you sent him an e-mail directly .... It's probably a very bad start ( as constructive as the content of it may be ).


I disagree.


I agree with OP.

He needs to have some sense communicated to him.

He's out of touch with his game. He's developed "writer's myopia", and can no longer (if he ever could) see the content objectively, at all. It's something that happens to almost all creative people who have long-running projects.

For example: Somehow he's missed that people are going to be playing frost bolt/ice nova with coc/ground slam+GMP with trypanon. (or better yet, in sire of shards).

How could you not see that coming, and the ensuing shitstorm of hardcore QQ?

Easy. Writer's myopia.
Quoting Saltychipmunk:
...I look at the new act 5 boss where you have to hide behind the statues to survive the bullet hell and all I can think is... how the fuck are zombies going to survive that?

They don't know what hiding is... they don't know what dodging is... they are morons.
Last edited by joachimbond#0494 on May 26, 2016, 2:33:02 PM
Just another QQ lab thread, nothing to see here boys.
https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285

FeelsBadMan

Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.
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goetzjam wrote:
Just another QQ lab thread, nothing to see here boys.


Just another troll post, nothing to see here.

Wonder how long you will last before getting another probation. You are so good at it.
*edit - not even worth the time, and dirtying the thread

please remove this post.

thank you.
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miljan wrote:
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goetzjam wrote:
Just another QQ lab thread, nothing to see here boys.


Just another troll post, nothing to see here.

Wonder how long you will last before getting another probation. You are so good at it.


Actually my last probation was for PMs not posting, there is actually a very small amount of my post that need editing and the only reason why I got put on probation for my PM is because I was warned recently in regards to another PM in the same day.


Not that it really has any affect on the discussions or points I actually make, something you and your BFF seem to share is adding literally nothing of relevance to any discussion you are a part of.
https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285

FeelsBadMan

Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.
Last edited by goetzjam#3084 on May 26, 2016, 3:09:22 PM
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goetzjam wrote:
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miljan wrote:
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goetzjam wrote:
Just another QQ lab thread, nothing to see here boys.


Just another troll post, nothing to see here.

Wonder how long you will last before getting another probation. You are so good at it.


Actually my last probation was for PMs not posting, there is actually a very small amount of my post that need editing and the only reason why I got put on probation for my PM is because I was warned recently in regards to another PM in the same day.


Not that it really has any affect on the discussions or points I actually make, something you and your BFF seem to share is adding literally nothing of relevance to any discussion you are a part of.


Doesnt matter was it a PM or your shit posting. Facts is, you are acting like a troll and regularly GGG needs to edit your crap or put you on probation.

I just like putting troll to their place if I see them crapping all over a suggestion thread and add nothing to it. Especially as you are so famous for trolling around POE forums.


Last edited by miljan#1261 on May 26, 2016, 4:47:08 PM
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joachimbond wrote:


I agree with OP.

He needs to have some sense communicated to him.

He's out of touch with his game. He's developed "writer's myopia", and can no longer (if he ever could) see the content objectively, at all. It's something that happens to almost all creative people who have long-running projects.

For example: Somehow he's missed that people are going to be playing frost bolt/ice nova with coc/ground slam+GMP with trypanon. (or better yet, in sire of shards).

How could you not see that coming, and the ensuing shitstorm of hardcore QQ?

Easy. Writer's myopia.


You didn't even have to leave the thread topic to make your example - the Lab itself is an obvious case of this.

You could tell that in designing the lab that they were so immersed in what it was, and so familiar with how it started, that all of the things they've scrambled to fix about it would have been obvious (and were obvious if you could go back and check the feedback forum March 3-7). Because they designed it from the start, they never had to deal with dead ends and backtracking. They didn't have to run the trials + labs on 5+ Perandus characters and feel what an absolute drag that is. Because they were testing on temp characters, they didn't feel the shit RNG of 1-in-350 chance of getting what you want.

The real player experience is hard to feel out when you design something from square one with whatever character/gear you want. It's hard, if not impossible, to take on content that you're intimately familiar with from a completely fresh perspective - but that's what you allegedly have QA for.

They might have been subject to the same blinders, which is what you allegedly have alpha testers for. We've heard numerous reports about how useless the alpha testers were, and how eager they were to keep bugs and powerful things to themselves, so there went our third layer of reasonable testing. Maybe some of them did pass along feedback like this, and the devs ignored it out of arrogance...kind of like what the OP said to begin with.
Nice post, OP. But well, i think i will write it again: it's content. You shouldn't feel forced to play it at all. I cited before an argument about the bandits quest before, it is optional too.

I don't like the labyrinth because the first impression was terrible(lags and more lags and disconnects). But i accept it, not because it is being thrown at me, but because it well, makes sense? Fight for power? If you want to be more, you have to do more to get it.

Noone like everything that receives, but people actually accept it, not because it is good at first glance, but because it is good over the time.

I think that with time given for the labyrinth, people will just forget about those frustrating moments that had running it and will do it as a bandit's quest, will pass through, get their points, move on, no big deal. Because it is content.

[I mean, i repeated it so many times: IT IS CONTENT. I don't know how people can't understand it, but... the game wasn't developed to make everyone happy, but to keep everyone playing it. Yeah, labyrinth was the part of the game i disliked most, but, you know what? I never played this game so much as i played with the ascendancy, because it gave so much options(thoughs) that i didn't feel so much the drawback to see my planning being realized. I even grinded it like crazy at the beginning of the league, disconnecting as F***, because i wanted to see my ideas coming truth.]

Right, the [] part could be accomplished by having another experience or even having those points for free. But as you stated, human nature. We fight to get what we want to have, without fighting, over time, the rewards become senseless. At first glance it may seem to be the best thing to have ascendancy for free, but if you know what i mean, you know that {over time, people will stop playing the game because they have everything they want, without having to put much effort into it}. Doesn't it {} define part of the word boredom?

Hate the lab, but want to fight against it to ascend and become god like. That's my opinion.
Sometimes...
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miljan wrote:
Chris is a strange dude. He said a lot of strange and illogical thing during this and older podcasts or forum posts.

I still remember when he said that they balanced the game around alt f4 and its ok because this exploit was possible in diablo, and they often used it (good that they didnt used bots or RMT xD, or we would have those two also as normal things), and because of it, they though its a normal part of the game.
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There are good reasons for the alt f4 policy, and yes, cheating is part of this reasons.
If it is illogical to you, I would suggest revisiting your logic, because the whole explanation makes perfect sense.
If you disagree with GGG's strategy about PoE, not much we can do here.


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joachimbond wrote:

I agree with OP.

He needs to have some sense communicated to him.

He's out of touch with his game. He's developed "writer's myopia", and can no longer (if he ever could) see the content objectively, at all. It's something that happens to almost all creative people who have long-running projects.

If you guys think that sending e-mails directly to Chris will help, then good luck with that .....
And a player freshly arrived in the game has more of an objective and useful point of view and knows what the game should be ?
lol
GGG's staff has wayy more data that we'll ever have about PoE, and if you think that you can see the game objectively and Chris doesn't, you are being very arrogant, to stay polite.


It's really ridiculous ( and sometimes/somewhat pathetic ) to see most people complaining on the forum think that they are the vast majority of the community, and that everybody else or almost think like they do ......


The "Alpha players keep bug for themselves boouuuhh" part before is just .....

The ad-hominem attacks from some tell a lot too.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Last edited by Fruz#6137 on May 26, 2016, 10:48:17 PM

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