Thoughts from a game dev in the industry ...

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Pwnzors87 wrote:

PoE and D3, both have litarly the same itemization only with some twists.

In poe Weapons have basedmg which get multiplyed by your melee skills,
and spell skills have basedmg which get multiplyed by your weapons-spelldmg.
In D3 both scale of your weaponsdmg, evrything is ""normalized"".

In poe you want +life,+ressistance,+internal devenses(es gear without it is junk anyways)
In D3 you want main,vit,ress or dps depends on item slot.

In most cases you want almost always the same roll´s,
So ad internal-dmg and devenses on each item and boom smart drops.

this isnt even remotely close to truth

everything is based off your weapon damage in D3. every-thing. if you have shitty weapon DPS for any build archetype, you have a shit build.

this already establishes a pacific ocean-sized chasm between d3 and poe as far as itemization goes.

there are countless builds in poe that do not depend on the damage of mainhand. at all. spellcasters, summoners, trappers, totemers, miners, etc etc. there are many builds that utilize a crappy damage unique weapon because of its build defining (see trypanon, consuming dark, etc) properties

then, damage is multiplied by your class main 'attribute' in d3.
and crit chance and crit damage are cherry on top

so its really easy in d3 to predict what youll need. vit, main stat, res, and some crit (pre-ros at least, Im not as familiar with attributes introduced by ros)

now yes, life and res in poe are as vital as vitality + res in d3.

but thats where it stops. you use most rare items with life and res to cap/overcap and have a reasonable pool of life in poe, not simply stat sticking.

only attack builds care about weapon damage, and not even all of them.

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NeroNoah wrote:

Well, that's because daggers are not well balanced compared to other weapons (no, balancing by making things rare is not the way to go).

Exactly! Daggers and crit weapons not balanced at all. You can has SAME rolls, almost same base damage (+/- 1%), almost same attack speed (+/- 1%), EVERYTHING the same BUT crit weapons got insane base crit chance and easy brizzy scale with power charge and crit node while non crit weapons got uber smallest minor crit chance and almost not scaled well with anything.

Crit make you all elemental status and stronger poison + easy 2M+ DPS, while for non crit it's impossible to achieve same DPS.

And i think GGG should rebalance game hardly, as is it's poor to call "balance".

I wrote that in poe the scalling is simply turned around for spells, spell have basdmg which get multipled by your weapons-spelldmg.

In generall, i would satisfy the mayority and not the minority, the Affix-rng doesnt have to be unnesesary random/complicated because there is this one Guy using Elementalhit with a 2h Mace. Of course there are more popular cases like offhand-dagger, still there could be simple Solutions for it. Anyways, you have to find junk!

I played d3 alot in the past and i know it has its flaws, like people complain since 2 years about set-items basicly beeing your build.
But ""normalized"" scaling is one of its strength, because it doesnt exclude combinations.
Cast on Crit is a example why cross/diffrent scalings are worse, because a fast weapon is supperior to a slow, therefore exluding them. ""off-Topic""

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grepman wrote:

but I realize that some things are a foundation of a house. I dont try - in my eternal attempts to make the house better - to change the foundation. It would be a very irrational thing to do.

I guess that's fair enough. When I'm writing I tend to blend two concepts which (unfortunately) aren't quite the same thing: Path of Exile, and the ideal ARPG. I still think ideally PoE would have some degree of smart loot now, but I can understand the "too late now" argument. (I feel the same way about balance ranged vs melee, PoE is too far gone to do it now.)

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point being that for unconventional builds, it's not even trivial to simply trade for the item combination you need. your point implied that unconventional builds are only punished if they werent trading. I pointed out that trading argument came out of left field; you used almost what amounts to be a deus ex machina in your argument, and yes- Im disappointed about it, because it has little to do with the actual argument and because you're a good poster who knows his shit.

Thing is, you're not talking about random drops with that example. People choose which enchantments to overwrite, especially for helms which are worth something.

Unconventional builds
They suffer with loot bias. Even if the player does want to trade, they quite often can't because "what sells" is the current meta. If an item you need is truly obscure, you can't trade for it. No one is selling it. You need to drop it, or craft it. Loot bias, crafting bias... Any kind of bias... Hurts diversity.

RNG mitigation. #JustSayNo #NotEvenOnce .