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Well if you think about it with the sword and using fire based spectre you are scaling poison with only Envy(a tiny portion of your damage). To make this worth it you need to be dealing a more significant portion of your damage as physical/chaos. So Blade vortex mobs.

Adding another spectre into the mix is worth at least 25% more damage before all your stats and auras factor in if your going from 3->4.

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Edit: looked at your profile.

http://poedb.tw/us/mon.php?n=The+Shaper

Try conc effect instead of firpen. Your already penetrating them with EE so your already getting diminishing returns and Conc will scale your fireball explosion and the poison. Shaper has 40% fire resistance so it is already -10% with EE.

Drop Vinktats in the fight. Shaper can't be shocked. Run another Atziri promise so your poison uptime is longer.

I am sure your doing this already but definitely drop GMP for slower proj during the fight.

Replace proj weakness for temporal chains and replace flammability with vulnerability. Your fireballs are piercing him. So 50% of the time your only hitting him with the projectile portion not the aoe explosion as well. You are already getting him to -10% fire res so I believe Vulnerability will allow you to do more dmg via poison.

Solid feedback m8, but havbe i missed out on something, i thought there where no diminishing returns to ele pen. like players they can go into negative resist?

recollourd and getting a conc effect :) will test and see :)

just have to kill some t16 guardians again hehe

Maybe poor choice of words but lets say a mob has 0% resistances.

Firepen is valued at 37% more damage while conc is valued at 60% more damage. Conc is the clear winner here.

Firepen is definitely worth it if you were running a fire resistance map or something. No matter how far the mob's resistance is above the cap of 75% you will always pen down 37%.

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Actually in this case conc is valued at 120% more damage b/c of poison.

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Furywrath wrote:

so i have been testing, and either they have silently nerfed damage of flame sents. or this sword is not better then a 4th spectre from midnight bargain or my skills as a summoner has rapidly decreased. i killed shapre deathless in essence whit basicly same gear. Now my dps is mutch lower. Il get a copple more lev go back to 4 spectres and the exact same setup as essence to see.

Read up mechanics of poison. It's near useless on fire spell casters..

Best i could think of, is to make poison zombies but zombies are just so bad..

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Read up mechanics of poison. It's near useless on fire spell casters..

Best i could think of, is to make poison zombies but zombies are just so bad..

With Atziri Promise up it is actually a significant damage boost. 20% extra chaos for each spectre. Poison will multiply the damage stat of minion damage, conc, slower proj, and any increase minion/general damage by 2. Spectre with spell echo cast so fast the poison stacks up very quickly.

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mattc3303 wrote:

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Read up mechanics of poison. It's near useless on fire spell casters..

Best i could think of, is to make poison zombies but zombies are just so bad..

With Atziri Promise up it is actually a significant damage boost. 20% extra chaos for each spectre. Poison will multiply the damage stat of minion damage, conc, slower proj, and any increase minion/general damage by 2. Spectre with spell echo cast so fast the poison stacks up very quickly.

yea that was my line of thought as well. I agree il change to conc effect and inc aoe for map clearing testing it out :)

If you want to take advantage of projectile weakness too without the drawback of pierce and fireball explosions that flame sentinels have.

You need to welcome the new spectre king. The goat.

I think Shaper is also big enough to take advantage of the magma orb "shotgun" mechanic. I'll post a pic from my build guide.



You might need to run LMP instead of slower proj just to make sure the Magma orbs are hitting the target.

Also if u compare the flat ranges of Curtains vs the goat. Its massive.

http://poedb.tw/us/mon.php?n=Goatman+Fire-raiser

http://poedb.tw/us/mon.php?n=Flame+Sentinel

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Furywrath wrote:

so i have been testing, and either they have silently nerfed damage of flame sents. or this sword is not better then a 4th spectre from midnight bargain or my skills as a summoner has rapidly decreased. i killed shapre deathless in essence whit basicly same gear. Now my dps is mutch lower. Il get a copple more lev go back to 4 spectres and the exact same setup as essence to see.

Try with undying alchemists or slashed miscreations.

Since it seems a lot of you guys are running golem builds, can any of you comment on the usefulness of empower? I'm running a poison stone golem build and trying to decide if a level 3/4 empower is worth a link. Since there is no sort of tool tip I am aware of to compare different set ups it is hard to tell for me. I found a chart on the bottom of the wiki giving a damage per golem level, but how do I know what level my golem is? The level varies from 34-90.

Found churning titans in canyon map, they are the boss mob for ruined titan packs and can be desecrated on those maps.

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ok so seems they aren't that great from earlier posts, oh well lol