Here is why the Labyrinth favours softcore and is a very bad design.

I have 6k life and 4,5 k es. That's 10,5k points to drain until i die.
Traps do percentage damage so if you are hybrid they take into account your total hp and es to calculate the damage they do. Now i understand that 10,5k is probably double or sometimes tripple what softcore players run the lab with, since there is not much need to go overly defensive in their league.

Here is the thing though, while they get hit for 1,5k - 3k dmg per hit and can use one instant pot to refresh their life pool, i get hit for 5k - 6k and have to use a whole instant flask (all three charges in very quick succession) to heal the same amount you do with one charge. Furthermore, i can only do that when i am nearly dead since flasks don't regen es. I have no idea how hybrid and non witch ci builds, who cant regen enough through the damage, can survive a series of hits and are fine with the way lab works now.

For me to do lab runs, i have to remove my gear, get new gear with no life or es and respec out of life nodes. Does this sound like a pretty softcore build to you? It pretty much does to me...
It is very, very badly designed and since it's integral to the expansion i think it should be changed for people running builds like the ones i mentioned.

Are you saying that the Hardcore Labyrinth is too... hardcore for you?

Anyway, check out the video in this thread to show you it's not really that hard for ES/Life hybrid builds:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1603287

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Pyrokar wrote:

I have 6k life and 4,5 k es. That's 10,5k points to drain until i die.
Traps do percentage damage so if you are hybrid they take into account your total hp and es to calculate the damage they do. Now i understand that 10,5k is probably double or sometimes tripple what you softcore heros run the lab with.

Here is the thing though, while you get hit for 1,5k - 3k dmg per hit and can use one instant pot to refresh your life pool, i get hit for 5k - 6k and have to use a whole instant flask (all three charges in very quick succession) to heal the same amount you do with one charge. I have no idea how hybrid and non witch ci builds, who cant regen enough through the damage, can survive a series of hits and are fine with the way lab works now.

For me to do lab runs, i have to remove my gear, get new gear with no life or es and respec out of life nodes. Does this sound like a pretty softcore build to you? It pretty much does to me...
It is very, very badly designed and since it's integral to the expansion i think it should be changed for people running builds like the ones i mentioned.

oh please. this is a pile of b..

im doing lab speed runs. down to < 7 minutes yesterday. on a 2h marauder, as a dominating blow character..

you know what is your problem? you get hit by traps. while in fact you can avoid them WHILE being quick. thats why this is a challenging content - anybody can finish it safely, anybody can finish it quickly by risking trough the traps but only some can do it both quickly and safely. you can take calculated risks (purposely getting hit by a trap to save few seconds) but noone is forcing you to do that. if waiting for ES recharge is longer than waiting for safe passage there is no reason to risk it.

and if you say 'but you will be eventually hit by a trap' i say: 'just dont'

this really is a challenging content but the challenge is not in the 'completion' (anyone can do that) but in 'completing it QUICKLY'

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Pyrokar wrote:

I have 6k life and 4,5 k es. That's 10,5k points to drain until i die.
Traps do percentage damage so if you are hybrid they take into account your total hp and es to calculate the damage they do. Now i understand that 10,5k is probably double or sometimes tripple what you softcore heros run the lab with.

Here is the thing though, while you get hit for 1,5k - 3k dmg per hit and can use one instant pot to refresh your life pool, i get hit for 5k - 6k and have to use a whole instant flask (all three charges in very quick succession) to heal the same amount you do with one charge. I have no idea how hybrid and non witch ci builds, who cant regen enough through the damage, can survive a series of hits and are fine with the way lab works now.

For me to do lab runs, i have to remove my gear, get new gear with no life or es and respec out of life nodes. Does this sound like a pretty softcore build to you? It pretty much does to me...
It is very, very badly designed and since it's integral to the expansion i think it should be changed for people running builds like the ones i mentioned.

Now, try killing monsters with that low-life gear... :P
Also, tbh ES gear is pretty broken for lab - you can just regen it by standing still. Problem occurs if you keep on getting hit by everything, yes, but that is the point. You get hit, you die.

Should be changed. How? Do you have any better idea?

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dudiobugtron wrote:

Are you saying that the Hardcore Labyrinth is too... hardcore for you?

Anyway, check out the video in this thread to show you it's not really that hard for ES/Life hybrid builds:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1603287

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sidtherat wrote:

oh please. this is a pile of b..

im doing lab speed runs. down to < 7 minutes yesterday. on a 2h marauder, as a dominating blow character..

you know what is your problem? you get hit by traps. while in fact you can avoid them WHILE being quick. thats why this is a challenging content - anybody can finish it safely, anybody can finish it quickly by risking trough the traps but only some can do it both quickly and safely. you can take calculated risks (purposely getting hit by a trap to save few seconds) but noone is forcing you to do that. if waiting for ES recharge is longer than waiting for safe passage there is no reason to risk it.

and if you say 'but you will be eventually hit by a trap' i say: 'just dont'

this really is a challenging content but the challenge is not in the 'completion' (anyone can do that) but in 'completing it QUICKLY'

You nearly died in the first minute and a half, are you fucking serious here? What am i even asking, nice trolls guys... Next.

that was a video from day1

now i can do it both FASTER and SAFER. you do not have to rush like i do.

ive got my respec points today for my CI witch and ill show you how this stuff works for CI (no pots)

what will you do then?

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sidtherat wrote:

that was a video from day1

now i can do it both FASTER and SAFER. you do not have to rush like i do.

ive got my respec points today for my CI witch and ill show you how this stuff works for CI (no pots)

what will you do then?

Guy 1: I think this is bad design because reasons.
Guy 2: It can be done, so it's not.

...

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Perq wrote:

Should be changed. How? Do you have any better idea?

It's not really that hard to find solutions. Introduce life flasks that heal percentage of life and es could be one.
Remove ascendancy points from lab and put them on malachai for people who have trouble or don't want to run labyrinths could be another etc.

Guy 1 simply doesnt know how this stuff can be played and encounters issues that are his own fault. Guy 1 will continue to encounter said issues because he is convinced that his methods are OK but the game is not OK.

Guy 2 continues having fun because there is no point in helping Guy 1 as he 'knows best'

my build is bad
my play stle is bad

pls make game easier

If you can't handle hardcore go and play standard

Why yo uask for easier content instea of asking how to make you stronger