SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Turtledove wrote:

I would like to be able to play an ARPG when I open PoE. That means the game play is "kill monsters get loot". Running through screens full traps is not ARPG game play. It is not "kill monsters get loot" game play. It is fine if there is optional game play besides ARPG game play for a game in the ARPG genre. If it is not "kill monsters get loot" game play then it should be optional.

If GGG were to implement a flying simulator with act 5, WKs would be rushing to type how much they wanted it in the game and how it's an integral part of the genre now. Act 6 - growing crops and monster breeding? I mean we already have plenty of space for that in our hideouts...

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goetzjam wrote:

So what was or is more important, the master improvements that GGG are making or adding an additional path in the lab with less traps and more monsters or puzzles?

Because its clear which one they've done and just wanted to gauge everyones thoughts on that for a second.



Aside from masters, which is now years later, what other content have they went back on and pretty much redesigned or heavily changed? Content, not design choices.

Your question is exceedingly simplistic, because it ignores the realities of roadmaps, the realities of development hierarchies, and the realities of time management.

Allow me to ask you a similar question. You and I live together with five other guys. The kitchen is an absolute wreck. It will take days to clean, and we need to buy a new refrigerator and call a plumber to fix the sink. There's a hole in the ceiling from a pressure cooker failure. (That one was my fault, sorry.)

The living room is also a complete mess. There are dirty clothes, empty cans, and pizza boxes everywhere. It would take a good hour of hard work to clean. We all complain about both, but there is a lot more complaining about the kitchen, and half of us won't even step foot in there. But all of us are willing to tolerate the living room, at least.

So which do we clean first?

Great posts by zaludoz, regulator, turtle, shred, and the many others. Keep up the good fight. Incoming to 350 pages.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

So which do we clean first?

Your example is nicely described and made me smile :)
But it does not cover the situation we have here:
The laby is the second most annoying issue in PoE imho (right after the lack of offline trading).
In an RL (big) company there are usually a few big problems and *hundreds* of small problems.

In managment courses they are trained to focus on the top three problems of a company. Well, those that know more than managers sometimes say that solving a hundred of the small problems can be better for the customers than solving one of the biggies. So do I btw ;)

In either case, the laby prob is among the things that should be granted top priority ...

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aDuke wrote:

In either case, the laby prob is among the things that should be granted top priority ...

That for sure is one thing that you have no idea about.
What you call "prob" might not really be one to them.

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Fruz wrote:

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aDuke wrote:

In either case, the laby prob is among the things that should be granted top priority ...

That for sure is one thing that you have no idea about.
What you call "prob" might not really be one to them.

The sentence you quote is an opinion.

Unless you mean to say that aDuke has no idea about his own opinions?

"What they should do" kinda implies what they should to for the better of the game.
He would have used "What I would like them to do", sure.
But "what they should do" means something that they would better do, and that is something that we cannot know.
What is better for the sake of the game, and what GGG wants to do with it is eomthing that we do not actually know.

You seem to be confused.

"Justin Bieber should stop singing."

It is an opinion. I make no claims to know anything about his plans to continue singing or to stop, and more importantly *I don't have to* to have this opinion. You can disagree with my opinion, and insist that Mr. Bieber should continue blessing us with his beautiful voice, and then that would be your opinion.

And we'd have differing opinions. As we do about the Labyrinth. It's... not a difficult concept.

I too think fixing the Labyrinth should be a priority, so I share aDuke's OPINION. It is not necessary for me to know GGG's plans (any more than it was for me to know Justin Bieber's) to have an opinion about what they should do.

And so we are discussing semantics now.


https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/should

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Used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness, typically when criticizing someone's actions
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Used to indicate what is probable

Just the two definitions of this website ( xofrod dictionnary ) that fit the context.

In either of those cases, we have here no idea about its correctness or actually probability ( even though the events seem to show that it isn't probable ), and they have definitely no obligation or duty.


But anyway, you can justify anything by saying that everything we ever say are opinions, I'm waiting for this one ...

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Fruz wrote:

And so we are discussing semantics now.


https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/should

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Used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness, typically when criticizing someone's actions
[...]
Used to indicate what is probable

Just the two definitions of this website ( xofrod dictionnary ) that fit the context.

In either of those cases, we have here no idea about its correctness or actually probability ( even though the events seem to show that it isn't probable ), and they have definitely no obligation or duty.


But anyway, you can justify anything by saying that everything we ever say are opinions, I'm waiting for this one ...

My view is that it was obviously an opinion. There is no reason for me to be concerned about your opinion of labyrinth or about Justin Beiber's singing career and vice versa. It is obvious to almost everyone that it is a GGG decision not something that is going to be settled here on the forums. Regards,